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WASHINGTON (AFP) - Scientific evidence supports the theory that a 18,000-year old "Hobbit" skeleton unearthed in Indonesia was a new species closely related to Homo sapiens.

Some scientists had theorized that the skeletal remains found on the Indonesian island of Flores in 2003 belonged to a pygmy or a microcephalic -- a human with an abormally small skull.

But researchers from Florida State University who examined a three-dimensional computer reconstruction of the small but well-formed brain of the hominid, "classified it with normal humans."

"We have answered the people who contend that the Hobbit is a microcephalic," said world-renowned paleoneurologist Dean Falk, who is also chairwoman of Florida State University's anthropology department, which conducted the research with Indonesia's Center for Archaeology along with other international partners.

Her team's study of both normal and microcephalic human brains is published in Monday's issue of Proceedings of the < ="yqin" ="http://yq.search.yahoo.com/search" method="post"> < name="p" value=""National Academy of Sciences"" =""> < name="sourceOrder" value="c1,i,yn,c3" =""> < name="c1" value="<p style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-weight:bold;font-size:13px;padding:0;margin-top:1em;margin-bottom:.5em;">National Academy of Sciences</p>" =""> < name="sourceURL" value="" =""> < name="fr" value="yq-news" =""> < name="context" value="Her team's study of both normal and microcephalic human brains is published in Monday's issue of Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences." =""> National Academy of Sciences.

The computer model reproduced the surface of the brain, including its shape, grooves and vessels, revealing what Falk described as a "highly evolved brain."

The skeleton came to be known as "the Hobbit" after the diminuitive characters in J.R.R. Tolkien's classic "Lord of the Rings" trilogy.

The brain of the Hobbit -- more accurately identified as "Homo Floresiensis" -- was compared to those of 10 normal humans and nine people suffering microcephaly, a virus which stunts the development of the brain.

The complete skeleton and skull unearthed in a cave on Flores measures 1.06 meters (3.6 feet), igniting a raging controversy among anthropologists, who until then had believed the extinction of the Neanderthal 30,000 years ago left Homo sapiens as the only surviving human species.

Archaeologists had found sophisticated tools and evidence of a fire near the remains of the three-foot-tall adult female with a brain roughly one-third the size of a contemporary human.

"People refused to believe that someone with that small a brain could make the tools. How could it be a sophisticated new species?" Falk said.

"It's the 64 thousand dollar question: Where did it come from?" she said. "Who did it descend from, who are its relatives, and what does it say about human evolution?" said Falk. "That's the real excitement about this discovery."

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Wow, I like hearing news like this. That means there were two other human species living during our time and potentially three as there is evidence we ran into H.Erectus in Northern China I believe it's said.
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  Quote Lepidodendron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Jan-2007 at 18:29
Originally posted by SearchAndDestroy

Wow, I like hearing news like this. That means there were two other human species living during our time and potentially three as there is evidence we ran into H.Erectus in Northern China I believe it's said.
 
Actually that sounds very plausible. 
 
Hm, just a thought which suddenly occurred to me... Has it ever been a subject of research whether the massive eruption of Mt. Toba around 75.000 years ago could have paved the way for H. sapiens 'out of Africa' by weakening the presence of H. erectus in Southern Asia, which was relatively close to the eruption and whose environment might have been more strongly affected by it?
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Toba weakened the presence of hominids almost everywhere and may have resulted in killing of the many different subspecies living at the time resulting in a supposed bottleneck of around 10,000 individuals in the whole planet. Most of the animals in South Asia were killed off including any humanoids living there. Its effect was drastic on life even in farther lands such as India.
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Feb-2007 at 17:15
Originally posted by Lepidodendron

Originally posted by SearchAndDestroy

Wow, I like hearing news like this. That means there were two other human species living during our time and potentially three as there is evidence we ran into H.Erectus in Northern China I believe it's said.
 
Actually that sounds very plausible. 
 
Hm, just a thought which suddenly occurred to me... Has it ever been a subject of research whether the massive eruption of Mt. Toba around 75.000 years ago could have paved the way for H. sapiens 'out of Africa' by weakening the presence of H. erectus in Southern Asia, which was relatively close to the eruption and whose environment might have been more strongly affected by it?
 
 
The Bradshaw Foundation is working on that sort of idea right now.
 
                          http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/notafrica.html
 
 
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  Quote Dilvish Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Feb-2007 at 21:05
i remember that there were some hobbits unearthed in britain a couple years back
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  Quote Ikki Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2007 at 10:29
I can't surprise about it, the human (presapiens) evolution of Asia is a total mistery, since 1'6 millions year Homo Erectus developed a lot of variants and sure new types of human only vaguely investigated by the archeologist. Asian prehistory is a wonderful treasure for the future.
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  Quote pekau Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 23:41
Yay! Hobbits!Thumbs%20Up
 
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  Quote Cryptic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Feb-2007 at 17:24
Originally posted by SearchAndDestroy

Wow, I like hearing news like this. That means there were two other human species living during our time and potentially three as there is evidence we ran into H.Erectus in Northern China I believe it's said.
 
This is amazing...
Do you have a link for the Homo Erectus evidence? 
 
So right now we have  on earth at the same time...
A. Homo Sapiens
B. Homo Neanderthalis
C. The Hobbits
D. Homo Erectus  (maybe)
Is this right?
 
With the Hobbits and Neanderthals existing in relatively (by geologic time) recent past.   I wonder if undiscovered Erectus and Hobbits gave rise to the global tales of Hairy men and little people.   


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