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    Posted: 14-Jan-2007 at 18:52
Most of the Turkic ethnicities/nations out there are usually steppe/desert nomads or Oasis dwellers, but were there any Turkic group that was engage in maritime trade?

The only one I can think of right now is the Ottoman Empire, which had alot of trade relations with other Med kingdoms and even sent warships to aid Aceh in Indonesia.

But are there any others?  Crimean Tatar Khanate had access to the sea, and maybe some of the other former Golden Horde Khanates?
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It's true, but weren't most Ottoman sailors greek too?  Except for one small group on the black sea coast who were turkish?
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Originally posted by Dan Carkner

It's true, but weren't most Ottoman sailors greek too? 
They were devshirme chosen from christian Turks and europeans,not only greek.
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The ottoman sailor were called Bahriyeli

but I also heard of Levents or leventler in Turkish huge rugged guys who were they?
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One of the most famous Ming dyansty chinese admirals Zheng He was an Uyghur Turk. If he could reach the position of admiral, it is fair to question how many other turks may have lived lives as sailors.
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Originally posted by malizai_

One of the most famous Ming dyansty chinese admirals Zheng He was an Uyghur Turk. If he could reach the position of admiral, it is fair to question how many other turks may have lived lives as sailors.


I did not know he was uygur I have seen in on National Georgraphic the treasure fleet.

they say he's from arab descent.

Why would they do that I doubt it's chinse political presure or could it?

Piri reis is definitly the most famous Turk
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He definately wasnt Arab, they say Hui but sometimes also denote Hui to muslims in China regardless of ethnicity.
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Originally it is said he was from modern day Ozbekistan-Kirgizistan-Uygur region, the Chinease had slave-mamluk soldiers protecting their court, some families became well known like his one.
 
Hui are mostly made up of Chinease, Manchu, Mongolian, Turkic, Arab, Iranian basically any muslim group outside the historically non-Chinease Uygur region.


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so outside of the issue of who Zheng He is, do you guys feel that the only Turk group that established significant Maritime abilities were the Ottomans?
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Seljuks of Kirman attacked and seized Oman under Melik Kara Arslan Kavurd by ships provided by Emir of Hrmz  Bedr s ş. Seljuks of Rum had also maritime abilities. Aleaddin Keykubat conquered Alaiye(Alanya) and build a dockyard as a base of mediterranian navy and there was one dockyard  in  sinope for a black sea navy. Some raids to crimea by seljuk navy are recorded. And also many of the Turkish begligs had navies mainly Candar, Aydın and Karesi.


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Originally posted by Seljuk

Seljuks of Kirman attacked and seized Oman under Melik Kara Arslan Kavurd by ships provided by Emir of Hrmz  Bedr s ş. Seljuks of Rum had also maritime abilities. Aleaddin Keykubat conquered Alaiye(Alanya) and build a dockyard as a base of mediterranian navy and there was one dockyard  in  sinope for a black sea navy. Some raids to crimea by seljuk navy are recorded. And also many of the Turkish begligs had navies mainly Candar, Aydın and Karesi.

Oooo thanks Seljuk brother for those important info!!!
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Turks started to be interested with sea in Sultanate of Rum(Anatolian Seljuks in Turkish), not Ottoman

Alanya castle and Shipyard were built in Sultan Kayqubad I 

Byzantine and Sultanate of Rum  sea battles

After the collasing of the country the amiral of Umur and Tzackas had own land and financed their land with piracy

also some other sister anatolian beyliks of Ottomans had important navies as Karasid, Ottoman became the sea power after they took the Karasid (This was also their first achievement against other Anatolian Beyliks)

BTW they became the owner of Asian side of Dardanelles
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I believe Zheng He was Sogdian.
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Umur Beg was the one of the famous Turkish Begs who had a big fleet. He defeated Crusader fleet and Venetians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umur_Beg

Chaka Beg was the other Turkish commander who ruled Smyrna. He was prisoned by Byzantium. After he took his Freedom, he founded his own Beylik in Smyrna. He was mighty and powerful. He besieged Constantinople with ships.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzachas

http://dogutarihi.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/caka.jpg?w=300&h=233

Here, there is a ship of Chaka's fleet.

Aruj Baba (Oruç Baba), Barbarossa Hayreddin, Turgut Reis are most famous Turkish corsairs. But, Turgut and Hayreddin Pasas ruled the coasts of North Africa as Beğlerbeği (Beg of Begs) of Ottoman.



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turkmens in eastern side of caspian sea was able ship builder and  and perfect sailors we build a ships with 2 Sail 1 in middle of the ship other one on head of the ship capitan were called agh saghil and every ship have Carpenter so if ship get into problem Carpenter could fix it at the port . ship it self have room at back of ship were people live there and have stockroom under Deck of ship . main Sail column also were used as Derrick for entering and exiting goods and  the thing which drive the ship were called su fen . we set sail from komish teppe to bandar e anzali and baku and astarakhan
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