Pakistans Stolen History

I dont know why people repeatedly bring Islam into this. We are simply discussing the people of Pakistan.

Land of pakistan today has a seperate history from indians, especially western Pakistan, I mean what do Baloch, Pashtuns, Kalash, Hunza people have to with Indians or India?

Also while Punjabis and Sindhis are mostly indic, they themselves have been heavily influenced by populations living west of them, since they always were border populations. I think Punjab/Sindh are really the dividing point of what you call south asia and central asia/middle eastern region.

Also about your last point, there are 25% pashtuns in pakistan army, they may have named those missiles, who knows, because those people were the ancestors of pashtuns and afghans




Edited by balochii - 28-Mar-2013 at 07:53

Originally posted by Jinit     This is what the Allama Iqbal (the one who gave the idea of Pakistan) wrote in 1904, althaugh it is another thing that he changed his tune after few years.   In a world in which ancient Greece, Egypt, and Rome have all vanished without trace Our own attributes (name and sign) live on today.

Originally posted by Jinit First of all The nation of Pakistan was created not because of their seperate history or ethnicity but as a sperate land for the Muslims of the entire Indian subcontinent. and whatever might have happened in past but atleast by the beginnning of the 20th century Indian subcntinent was considered as the Single entity.   This is what the Allama Iqbal (the one who gave the idea of Pakistan) wrote in 1904, althaugh it is another thing that he changed his tune after few years.   ए अब रौद गंगा वो दिन है याद तुझको उतर तेरे किनारे जब कारवाँ हमारा ॥४॥ मज़हब नहीं सिखाता आपस मे बैर रखना हिन्दी है हम वतन है हिन्दोस्तान हमारा ॥५॥ युनान-ओ-मिस्र-ओ-रोमा सब मिट गये जहाँ से अब तक मगर है बाकी नाम-ओ-निशान हमारा ॥६॥ O the flowing waters of the Ganges, do you remember that day When our caravan first disembarked on your waterfront? Religion does not teach us to bear ill-will among ourselves We are of Hind, our homeland is Hindustan. In a world in which ancient Greece, Egypt, and Rome have all vanished without trace Our own attributes (name and sign) live on today.   However even for the sack of the argument we accept that the Pakistan has seperate history then the biggest villain is not India but Pakistan itself. They themselves named their missiles - Ghori, Ghazni, Abdali etc. which if we look in the context of history actually are actually Afghans rulers who raided and plundered the territories of the presant day Pakistan and as such they should be considered the villains of Pakistani History. However they are admired only because they attcked the India!!! They should first change the name of the missiles before blaming the Indians.

Jinit, what do the Asian letters say?

Originally posted by Nick1986 Jinit, what do the Asian letters say?

Hello guys,

This is not entirely true. Indians and Pakistanis are for the most part ethnically the same, (tho not including tribes like pashtuns in pak or gurkhas in india). The average person from Karachi and a person from Delhi look exactly alike. In 1947 there were mass migrations taking place. My grandfather and all of my ancestors up to him had called what is now pakistan their home. Because he was a Sikh, he and millions of others migrated to the Indian punjab, and vice versa millions of muslims went to pakistan who had previously called india home for generations. Before 1947 people never identified themselves as pakistani, they were muslim indians. States like Punjab were literally split in half. The countries that we now know as India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and Nepal had always been known as India until 47. The people of the Indus Civ are shrouded in mystery, no one knows what they looked like and their language is non decipherable. Pakistanis AND Indians are not related to the original inhabitants at all, just like Italians are not Romans and modern Egyptians are not descended from Pharaohs.

Its pretty obvious that Indians and Pakistanis are different people. Indians and Pakistanis

Majority of Pakistani people are genetically different from the people of Republic of India. Here is a chart which shows the genetic difference of genetic admix between Pakistani people and those from Republic of India. 

Originally posted by SpartaN117 Okay. I know this is subject to a lot of flaming, and I ask everyone to please keep this discussion mature. I am willing to answer ANY questions. Here is the Article: Found this at http://www.pakhub.info/art001.php Lets for the sake of argument say that Germany changes its name to Europe. Does this give (the new) Europe the right to claim its history as 'ancient European', and include the Roman, British and Portuguese empire as its own? This is exactly what has happened in South Asia. Please read and discover the events. 'India' prior to 1947 was never a country. It was a name given to the entire subcontinent. When the British invaded the subcontinent, they grouped the entire region as a Country, and called it British India. This has lead to the misunderstanding that India before 1947 was one entity. In 1947, two countries were born in South Asia. One of the countries took up the former name of the subcontinent, giving the impression that it was the 'parent country'. Therefore it is important to note that Ancient Indian history is only the history of Modern India. Not South Asia. <u>Indus Valley and Harappan Civilisation.</u> Indus valley is an interesting topic. Indians from all over the world seem to claim Indus valley civilisation as Indian history, because they are under the impression that modern India is the parent country, which was once the entire subcontinent of South Asia. Apart from the name, IVC has almost nothing to do with Modern India. Indus Valley settlements are located all over Southern Asia. These include, Iran, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, northwest India, and of course Pakistan. However, the Main IVC cities, aswell as the majority are in Pakistan. The main ones being, Harappa and Mohenjodaro. Many people argue that Pakistan was born in 1947. It doesn't have an ancient history. Well the history belongs to the Pakistani people. They do have an ancient history. India has nothing to do with the Pakistani people, and it is absurd to let them claim the History of the Pakistani people. The people of Pakistan have <u>always</u> lived there. Indus Valley Civilisation history belongs to the people of Pakistan regardless what they call themselves. Boundaries changed, however the people didn't. There is no denying Pakistan was a part of British India, or the 'Indian subcontinent' (aka South Asia), but referring to Pakistan's ancient history as Ancient Indian history, is Very misleading, as the subcontinent is no longer called India. India today is a modern country born in 1947, which has its own Ancient history limited to within the boundaries of Modern India. IVC can be referred to as Ancient South Asian history, if the approximate region of the civilisation needs to be given. For the sake of correctness and knowledge of Ancient civilisations, I hope this misunderstanding can be corrected. Even the Ancient Indian history should be broken down into more detailed sub categories. India is the home to a lot of different people. Grouping the history of all these people to give the impression that India has always contained one group of people and Ancient Indian history belongs to this one group, is misleading. This is the reason why it is incorrect to even label IVC as Ancient South Asian history. South Asia is home to 1.6 billion people, which is way too broad to describe the people of Indus valley, which is now Pakistan. Sure this is no harm in mentioning the settlements outside of Pakistan (India, Iran, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan and Kashmir), however one has to remember that Pakistan is the home of it.

Alright let me try my level best to be good and nice in my words.

To start with I completely agree that Germany Changing its name as "Europe" will not let it claim the glory of Roman Empire, British Empire and more (perfectly true)

How about thinking other way around?

Just because Europe was given a new name "will not hold its rights to claim the European glorious days.
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India is India through out history: Before speaking of names (of nations or any other stuffs) one must understand that names are pronounced and written not based in "English" (in terms of History, English itself is fairly new) and so back in ancient times there was rarely a common language and words were written or pronounced completely differently in different languages.

The word India comes from Indus River, in fact the word H' indus" itself comes from Indus River. People of Indus later became Indians.

Ancient Greeks know Indians as "Indoi" (Ινδοί) which means "the People of Indus", even back in Alexander's time India's economic and Resource richness was well known in Greece (and later in Rome).

Thinking that British gave the name India is completely stupidity, as British Lands were hardly Civilized back then, even the Romans or Classic Greek Times are yet to come by the time Indians was known as " Indoi".

The notion is completely different, the English word "India" (i.e Written in English Script) came from Greek word "Ἰνδία" this is rather misinterpreted as the term "India" was given by British.
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And now moving back to claiming Indus Glory, India rightfully gets most glory because by Religion, People and more it deserves the lion share of the credit. The Indus Vally Civilization and its people always moved towards India (so says History).

But I am not saying Pakistan doesn't deserve its share of credits, almost all the Pakistanis today are Hindus back in History (ancestry) and some can surely trace back their ancestry back to Indus Valley Civilization.




Pakistan was fairly new, even though it existed back in history but only as a part of India. Nations might be called by different names, but their history is traced back by Culture, Religion, language and more (but certainly not location).