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    Posted: 17-Aug-2004 at 05:46

I thoght that we could have a discussion about the seljuk armies,

 

What did the seljuk armies consist of,  type of unit and so on , I have a picture here but it deosn't say much , maybe something for Ihsan and me to discuss about ,  , isn't that right Ihsan ,

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Hehe

The earliest armies of the Seljuks (correct form Seljkid in English) were consisted of Oghuz light riders, these continued to be a large and important force in the later days. After conquering some of the Islamic lands, they added Ghulm Guards (Ghulmn or Ghulm ment Slave) to their armies; most Ghulms were of Iranic stock, from Iran and Afghanistan, but I guess they incluided a few number of Turkics too. Apart from these, they also had other troops but I don't know much about them.

The armies of Anatolian Seljuks were a bit different. They had light riders and Ghulams, but their armies also incluided Greek infantries and European mercenaries (mostly Norman knights, to my knowledge).

In the pic you posted, the dismounted guy on the left is a Turkoman tribal leader and the guy on the right is a Ghulm.

At the Battle of Manzikert, Sultn Alparslan's Turkoman riders harrassed Byzantine ranks all through the day and when the Byzantines charged, the sultan launched a final melee assault with his Ghulms, supported with Turkoman riders. The Byzantine army was surrounded and it finally broke under the lances, sabres, swords and maces of the Ghulms.

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  • most Ghulms were of Iranic stock, from Iran and Afghanistan, but I guess they incluided a few number of Turkics too. Apart from these, they also had other troops but I don't know much about them.

 

 

 I find it quite strange that the GHulams where of Iranic stock, we are talking about the seljuk, and not the Ghaznivids are we, could you then please explain how they where from Iranic stock, 

occordning to medievel muslim chronicls, source's the Ghulam where indeed of turkic stock,  can you please enlighten us Ihsan ,

 

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  Quote ihsan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Aug-2004 at 15:24
I find it quite strange that the GHulams where of Iranic stock, we are talking about the seljuk, and not the Ghaznivids are we, could you then please explain how they where from Iranic stock, 

occordning to medievel muslim chronicls, source's the Ghulam where indeed of turkic stock,  can you please enlighten us Ihsan ,

Some sources say they were Iranic, some say they were Turkic. And the Anatolian Seljkids had some Greek Ghulms.

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  Quote battleaxe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Sep-2004 at 12:10
Iranians were part of the Seljuk army that conquered anatolia? that's interesting. what are some of the other peoples?
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Really powerful troops. Remember Manzikert
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  Quote kroglu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Sep-2004 at 20:41

Originally posted by Gallipoli

Really powerful troops. Remember Manzikert

 

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Another important unit of the Seljuk armies were the Siphis, who were soldiers given fief-like land, similar to the Byzantine Theme system.

The Ghulms and Siphis made up the Hass army. During the peak of the Seljkid Greater Sultanate, the Hass of the Great Sultans were consisted of 45,000 men. Of course, there were Hass units of local governors and members of the royal family too.

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Sep-2004 at 03:11

 

Ihsan Wrote

 

Some sources say they were Iranic, some say they were Turkic. And the Anatolian Seljkids had some Greek Ghulms.


  

Can you give the sources please,  I

 

Do you remember our discussion at the old turkish history forum, can we continue at that discussion  

If a rember right you said that the Ghulam was formed from the Byzantine Karaphtaki/I dont remeber the correct name.  

 

You said that the arabs formed a heavy cavalry from the Byzantine Karaphataki,  whihc arabs did form the ghulam from the karaphatki heavy cavalry , The umayyids or the abbasid,   ??+,  After you have answered I will give a goodreply , al right Ihsan ,, and this time , I want delay , heheheh  ,

 

 
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I want to start another interesting topic butI think we will talk about it on this topic if you and I reply , 
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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Sep-2004 at 14:11
Originally posted by BK_BK

I thoght that we could have a discussion about the seljuk armies,

 

What did the seljuk armies consist of,  type of unit and so on , I have a picture here but it deosn't say much , maybe something for Ihsan and me to discuss about ,  , isn't that right Ihsan ,

 

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  Quote Kalevipoeg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Sep-2004 at 00:43
Looks like a Stalinist propaganda pic, if only, the middle guy would be Stalin smiling and the two others were "happy" farmers!!!!!! 
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LOL. Stalin was a Georgian, so that is not too far away...
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  Quote warhead Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Oct-2004 at 14:35
Wait, did the arabs adopt their cataphract from Byzantine or the Persians?
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Maybe both? They had close contacts with both empires.
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