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Urungu Han
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Topic: Are the Tatars Turk or Mongol? Posted: 11-Aug-2006 at 06:02 |
I have a research from Prof.Dr.R.Trkkan about Tatar Turks.I wil write it later to finish this topic.
And remember,Tatar heads are brakisefal =)
Edited by Urungu Han - 12-Aug-2006 at 07:32
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GrandTurk
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Posted: 17-Dec-2006 at 01:24 |
I have been to Tataristan many times.
They are Turkish!
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ephestion
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Posted: 17-Dec-2006 at 02:29 |
No they are not Turksih. Turkey or Turkish exists post 1926.
They are not Ottoman either they were a Tripartite alliance of Arab, Persian and Turkomen.
Tartars are one of many tribes that contributed to the formation of the Turkish speaking people along with Mongolians. They were re-turked post 1000AD during the Mongolian invasion which re-spread and scattered the Turks in places they normally didnt exist. The reason being they were traditionally hired as Mercenaries na dserved in some of the most disrespected armies of history Hun, Mongols and so forth.
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GrandTurk
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Posted: 17-Dec-2006 at 03:50 |
This is not true.
Also please remember that first country who used Turk word is Gk Trk in 630.
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Leonidas
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Posted: 17-Dec-2006 at 05:12 |
Turkish = people assoc with turkey
Turkic is is much more accurate as it is linguistic/cultural based description of the broader group including (but not limited to) turkey.
Its a small but important detail one should be mindful of.
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EGETRK
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Posted: 17-Dec-2006 at 05:21 |
i dont use ''turkish'' word...İt separeate Trk world from Trks of Trkiye
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Posted: 17-Dec-2006 at 07:26 |
uzbeks-tatars-karakalpaks-azeries-kazaks-tuvas-sakas(yakutistan)-kırım turks(avars and tatars)-gagavuz(gokoguz)-oguz turks(turkies turks)-ahıska-nokaies-some of bulgars and onoguz(macars)[macar and bulgars had mixed with slavs and other people] but tatars turk-mongol are in fenotype but in turkish genotype...
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Posted: 17-Dec-2006 at 07:27 |
uzbeks-tatars-karakalpaks-azeries-kazaks-tuvas-sakas(yakutistan)-kırım turks(avars and tatars)-gagavuz(gokoguz)-oguz turks(turkies turks)-ahıska-nokaies-some of bulgars and onoguz(macars)[macar and bulgars had mixed with slavs and other people] but tatars are in turk-mongol fenotype but in turkish genotype...
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omergun
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Posted: 17-Dec-2006 at 17:04 |
Originally posted by Leonidas
Turkish = people assoc with turkey
Turkic is is much more accurate as it is linguistic/cultural based description of the broader group including (but not limited to) turkey.
Its a small but important detail one should be mindful of.
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No, dividing these two terms, is nothing else than a imaginary variaton made on purpose. All Trks are the same and they are called Trks, either they live in Trkiye, Central, Middle, East, West, North Asia, Balkans or East Europe. Making such variatons based on English language is ridiculous. Look at how all those Trks everywhere think about who they are, then youll understand. For example, you can call someone in Kazakistan a Kazak, or someone in Azerbaycan a Azeri, but its not right to say they are Trkic, Trkish or another variaton used, they are all Trks.
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Huncuk
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Posted: 17-Dec-2006 at 21:31 |
Turks are 5000years old race =).
Well,the tatars of Xianbei was Mongol,but they all slaughtered by Ghengis.
Tatars of Ghengis army and today are all Turkic named Tatar.They are ethnicly Kipchak and Karabulghar Turks.
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