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Illuminati 
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 Topic: Albigensian CrusadePosted: 18-Jul-2006 at 18:38 |
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The Crusade against the Cathars....
Do you think it was actually done for religious reasons (Chuch saw them as herectics), or did the French monarchy convince the church to declare a crusade as an excuse for the French to make a massive land grab? The church gave legal dominion of the conquered lands to French nobles and the French monarchy Edited by Illuminati - 18-Jul-2006 at 18:41 |
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Komnenos
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Posted: 18-Jul-2006 at 19:01 |
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It was both, as so often in similar enterprises of the age, from the Palestine to the Baltic crusades, in the Albigensian Crusade, State and Church came together in one unholy alliance.
Although it seems that the first official impetus for the Crusade came from the Catholic Church, it seems unlikely that it did so without consulting first those that would supply the military means.
For the Papal authorities, it had become necessary to react upon the rapid spreading of the Cathar dualist heresy in the Languedoc, from where it was beginning to inform similar groups all over Central Europe.
For the French Kings, Phillip Augustus and his successor Louis VIII, it offered a unique opportunity to extend their rule over the rich Southern parts of France, that under the independent rule of the Counts of Toulouse and under the protection of the Kings of Aragon, had economically and culturally surpassed the Northern territories of France.
And for a whole number of smaller feudal lords, Simon de Montfort being the most famous one, the Crusade against the Cathars offered the same spoils as the one in the Holy Land, only with less travel and stress. Edited by Komnenos - 18-Jul-2006 at 19:27 |
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gcle2003
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Posted: 19-Jul-2006 at 04:38 |
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I agree with Komnenos, but can I put in a plug for Ladurie's Montaillou, which is one of the best historical books ever written, based entirely on the stories of witnesses and accused at the trials of Albigensian heretics?
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pikeshot1600
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Posted: 19-Jul-2006 at 09:37 |
This was hardly an isolated incident. The Church eventually collaborated with Phillip IV and engineered another land grab by destroying the influence and position of the Templars 100 years later. The Templars were accused of heresy among other deviations.
In the old days you made wealth "the old fashioned way." You took it away from somebody else.
Edited by pikeshot1600 - 19-Jul-2006 at 09:38 |
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