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    Posted: 02-Dec-2004 at 15:35
Here are more issues to consider: Why did communism fail and would you say that capitalism has failed in many of the areas in the world where it resides? Capitalism is a very unstable system and many people think that it will ulimately fail ad that we will revert to socialism.
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  Quote Genghis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Dec-2004 at 20:08

Originally posted by Winterhaze13

Is there any physical or mental distinction between a poor African and a rich wsterner?

I'm not talking internationally about underdeveloped nations.  I'm talking about the people who cannot or do not support themselves in a prosperous society which has shown itself capable of allowing self-created success.

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  Quote Genghis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Dec-2004 at 20:25
Originally posted by Winterhaze13

It is unacceptable to believe that the poor are weak and deserve their fate. Why don't you read the Codes of Conflict, it violates it,  it's absurd.

6. Nationalism, derogatory remarks to national or ethnic groups, jingoism, bigotry, racism, political propaganda.

By defending fascism and social Darwinism you are condoning racism, because that is what they imply. This is nothing personal, I just think his comments are offensive and I think that it should at least be brought to his attention. Don't compromise the integrity of this forum.

I never intended this to show that certain countries are superior to others.  I was saying that an individual within his own society should be allowed to work hard and be justly rewarded, and that within that same society people who take resources but do not give their efforts toward the benefit of society as a whole should not receive any help from society.  This can apply to the very wealthy US and EU to the very impoverished areas of sub-Saharan Africa. 

If anything, sub-Saharan Africa is an example of what I was talking about.  The majority of the hardworking African populace has been forced to support parasitic colonial and corrupt indigenous regimes with their labors, leading to the unfortunate state Africa is in now.  I think that if any country adopted my philosophy, and didn't tolerate and support parasitic individuals be they resource wasting thieves and drug addicts to the very wealthy and corrupt leaders like Robert Mugabe, Africa would be a very prosperous continent.  They are after all blessed with extreme mineral and plant resources.

Thus, I don't see how my remarks fit any of those.  I'm talking about groups within one society, such as when a person makes national policies. 

I also never referred to any particular country by name, and meant by the terms "society" and "state" to make it clear I was talking about any hypothetical country.  Nor did I refer to any ethnic or religious group, and my circle of friends would make it clear to you that I'm no racist or bigot.

How I am being fascist also escapes me.  Just because I'm more utilitarian and less humanitarian in my views on the role of government doesn't make me a fascist.  I've also never used any reference to any political group, individual, or philosophy (with the obvious exception of communism and capitalism).

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  Quote Lannes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Dec-2004 at 20:45

Originally posted by Winterhaze13

You are lucky that I do not report you to an administrater because that is a derogatory comment and is despicable. You are no longer welcome on my thread. 

Actually, Janus hit it dead on, Genghis has been quite civil in this discussion.  For this, I applaud him, becuase he has undoubtedly had to bite his lip to reply camly to your insulting posts.

On the contrary, what this discussion needs is for you to quit jumping to conslusions that degrade Genghis's ideals, and generally, for you to calm down on the accusations.

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  Quote dark_one Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Dec-2004 at 21:18
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It is not possible for one to get as much as one wants in life, so I would say that a system that advocates such illusions does not look good on paper or in practice.  Also, the "dictatorship of the proletariat" is still a dictatorship, and therefore wrong (in my opinion). [/Q]
 In that case if only people were more like me. I would ask for barely more than I have now. Food, shelter, job with weekends and 1 or 2 expensive thigns a year.

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  Quote Slickmeister Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Dec-2004 at 16:59
Money was a dumb idea overall anyway
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