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Cyrus Shahmiri
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Topic: Khalaf, the only Arabic village in Khorasan?! Posted: 03-Feb-2005 at 15:26 |
Khorasan was one of the most important regions for the Arabs, the largest Arabic empire originated in Khorasan and we know that some Arab tribes came here especially when al-Mamun, the seventh Abbasid caliph, transfered the capital from Baghdad to this region.
Tomb of Harun ar-Rashid in Tus, Khorasan
But it seems there are already just some Arabic villages in the whole Khorasan and Central Asia and one of them is the Khalaf village:
http://semitistik.uni-hd.de/seeger/english/chorasan_e.htm
The interesing thing is that the people of this village speak still with an ancient Arabic dialect.
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Posted: 04-Feb-2005 at 10:35 |
Interesting. I didn't know that. Is that dialect studied?
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Posted: 04-Feb-2005 at 11:50 |
I myself hadn't heard anything about that village and its people before reading that website, even the buildings of this village seem Arabic for me, it is really great that a small group of people can keep their culture for hundreds years in a foreign country.
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Posted: 06-Sep-2008 at 17:43 |
What is their faith?
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Posted: 06-Sep-2008 at 18:54 |
In fact even in Central Asia some Arabs still live; so-called Bokhara Arabs.
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Posted: 08-Sep-2008 at 19:31 |
Hello to you all
About the Arab settlement in Iran, it is quite old. Arab tribes seasonally came to khuzestan well before the conquest settling in the area and becoming the majority after it. Most Arab settlement in Iran was concentrated in three areas two of which still has a large Arab presense:
1- Khuzestan which most people who know Iran know about.
2- The gulf coast particularly from Bushehr and south as well as Fars province. Most of the tribes who came to those places actually came much later after the conquest, they built several powerful states most notably the Muzzafarids. Unlike the khuzis, these are primarily sunni muslims with a kharijite minority in the past.
3- Khorasani Arabs, khorasan believe it or not got the majority of Arab settler. Many of them are now part of the Baloch tribes, which genetic studies proved they are probably the closest group to Arabs in the world. Others, those who settled in the parts of Khorasan that are now in Afghanistan, became Pashton while a minority mixed with the Turkmens in Turkmenistan in the Turkmen part of khorasan.
I heard the sample of the speech above and honestly I understood nothing!
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Posted: 11-Sep-2008 at 03:16 |
large Arab presence?! who is that most people who know you know about, according to what source? better to say the possible large Arab presence in the past thus possible mixture. Yeah there was a vast Arab tribal migration to Khorasan, a region which was considerably greater than what is now today, and more importantly the land of Khorsan, during those migrations, already had a clear notable population according even to arab islamic sources, therefore making it impossible for the newcomers to become majority, even on those times in which the opportunists gained upper hand. Many of them became part of the Baluchis?! and genetic studies approved it the baluchis are the closest to Arabs?! :)) funny ....and the leftover became the pashtuns?! heh could you please name your very-first-hand-if-they-exist sources in here. in order to inform the others of this discoveries?...
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Posted: 12-Sep-2008 at 12:15 |
The majority of Khorasan Arbas were massacred during Iranian revolution under Abumoslem.
Also the Baluchs being Arabs is an old, milions-of-time-refuted crap, having roots in Iran-Iraq rivalry back in 60s and 70s.
Another point worth of notice is that, genetically speaking, Arabs are one of the MOST diverse peoples on earth (if the most). Pick up a Lebanese Christian Arab and compare it to a Sudanese and you gonna get what I mean. So speaking of the affinity of a certain people (Baluchis) to Arabs is just nonsense.
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Posted: 12-Sep-2008 at 15:01 |
What Iranian revolution?
As for the Baluch, well historians don't agree with you. Yaqut when he talks about them, he calls them بلوص says that they claim to be Arabs and that Arabs intermixed with them. I never said that All Baluchs are Arabs, I said they joined in the confederations because of continuous wars and because Baluch and Pashtun were the strongest they became part of them.
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Posted: 12-Sep-2008 at 15:51 |
There are also Tajik/Uzbekized Arabs in Northwestern Afghanistan, some of them still speak Arabic.
Large groups of Sunni Arab living in the vicinity of Bokhara in Central Asia fled to northeastern Afghanistan following Russian conquests in the nineteenth century. By the 1880s they were, with the Uzbek with whom they established close ties, the second most populous ethnic group in present day Kunduz, Takhar and Baghlan provinces. Smaller groups settled in scattered communities as far west as Maimana, Faryab Province.
The Arab are pastoralists who raise sheep and grow cotton and wheat. Some among the eastern groups make summer migrations of up to 300 kilometers to reach the lush high pastures in Badakhshan. Government development schemes, especially those which brought large numbers of Pushtun to the area in the 1940s, relegated the Arab to a small proportion of the population and the Arab ceased to hold a monopoly on long distance migration. Bilingual in Dari and Uzbeki, but speaking no Arabic, they continue to identify themselves as Arab although they have had no contact with the Arabs of the Middle East since the late fourteenth century.
Data as of 1997
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There was also a great book on the subject, but it is out of print:
The Central Asian of Afghanistan: Pastoralism in Transition
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Posted: 12-Sep-2008 at 16:30 |
Ya, you can say they have been doing alot of transitioning in the last few recent years.
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Posted: 13-Sep-2008 at 05:43 |
There are some Baluchis in the some Arab and eastern Africn countries but if they were Arabs why they would call themselves "Baluch"? I mean there is no "ch" sound in Arabic.
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Posted: 13-Sep-2008 at 09:33 |
Baluchi is a Northwestern member of Iranian language family, closely affiniated with Kurdish. Also worth of notice is that most of Baluchi tribes migrated to their current lands, no sooner than 10th century AD.
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Asawar Hazaraspa
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Posted: 13-Sep-2008 at 11:52 |
I know there are refrences of baluchis back in the Sasanian times or earlier out there: if at hand, someone please cite them in here.
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