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Topic: De Reuter (de Ruyter) - greatest admiral of the 17th century? Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 12:56 |
Originally posted by Cywr
Which Dutch admiral was said to have defeated pirates with butter? (By rubbing the gunwale with the stuff) |
Vincent van Oleo? Haaarrgghhh!
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Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 13:17 |
Could you tell us something about him?
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Posted: 15-Mar-2006 at 15:58 |
Originally posted by rider
Could you tell us something about him? |
Sorry. its a joke. Vincent van Gogh
Vincent van Oleo (oleo=margerine/butter)
Should have been van Goleo. I know, its lame.
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Posted: 17-Mar-2006 at 10:44 |
I am surprised so many people on this history forum do not know much about the great sea battles that have happened, along with the battles that have occured on land. I believe that whoever controls the sea, controls the game
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Posted: 17-Mar-2006 at 18:38 |
Ola Ponce (mi gusta corrida tambien but Leon is not a nice place)
I don't know, I find this assertion (who rules the sea rules the world)
slightly too old to be true. People are saying so all over since Pericles and
I guess that if it was so true states would just try to be great seapowers
and that's it.
Also they don't. I think actually seapower is a cause and not a
consequence of a country's great strenght. indeed, it is a constant and
very costly effort to have an efficent navy. And even money is not
sufficent; for it you need manpower and various skills.
Then who ever controls the sea is only proving he can do so and thus
expend. And even this is not sufficent some times to conquer the shores.
For instance: from 700 to 900 muslims controlled the sea but never
managed to take Italy, Northern Spain or Sourthern France. In the same
way Italian city-states were almost unchallenged on sea from 1000 to
1500 (with some Spanish exceptions) but never managed to hold
Palestine or Anatolia or Greece very long. Finally, Dutch, English and
American seapower rised after their commercial/industrial power.
Hence, I think saying "who controls the world controls the sea" is at least
as true as the contrary. (but of course I may be wrong)
Hasta luego hombre. Lo siento se te molesto.
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Posted: 23-Mar-2006 at 00:55 |
Well, but anyone who has sufficent funds to hold a created fleet has his shores protected against those that oppose him with fleets..
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Posted: 11-Apr-2006 at 08:59 |
De Ruyter was great admiraral, because of his tactics, the way he fought.Don't forget that Dutch man-of-war was quite smaller than the British with less guns and the guns were lighter than the British!
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Posted: 13-Apr-2006 at 16:19 |
Originally posted by King Kaloian of all Bulgarians
De Ruyter was great admiraral, because of his tactics, the way he fought.Don't forget that Dutch man-of-war was quite smaller than the British with less guns and the guns were lighter than the British! |
Yes, a requirement of the Dutch was that their naval ships be able to escort a lot of coastal merchant vessels that traded in shallower waters, particularly the Baltic. For the Dutch navy, smaller, shallower draft ships were more useful.
Gunpower disadvantage in combat was often offset by quite large fleets of the smaller ships, and the disbursement of risk among smaller ships, rather than concentrating it in large ships assisted surviveability of the fleet.
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Posted: 14-Apr-2006 at 04:07 |
If you want to see details about British and Dutch sailing ships, their firepower size and etc take a look at this link:
http://sailingwarships.com/
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