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    Posted: 11-Mar-2006 at 00:16
I wonder why Europeans call them Ottomans. The right expression is Osman, Otto is a german name.
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well the correct pronounciation is Uthman. ""   "th" as in "Earth"

Uthman or othman  was the name of the founder of the Ottoman empire.

i guess since European werent able to pronounce  Uthman the pronounced it ottoman.

 
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I can say it for Italians ...

I guess it was the difficult for Italians to pronounce correctly Othman that originated the Italian "Ottomani". Curiously in Italian "ottomani" means literally "eight hands"

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Originally posted by azimuth

well the correct pronounciation is Uthman. ""   "th" as in "Earth"

Uthman or othman  was the name of the founder of the Ottoman empire.

i guess since European werent able to pronounce  Uthman the pronounced it ottoman.

 

 

The Garzanti Dictionary of Italian Language on-line (http://www.garzantilinguistica.it/interna_ita.html) says that "ottomano" derives from the Arabic  'othmani .

 
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in Turkish it's Osmanli 

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Azimoth the Turkish pronounciation of Uthman is Osman. Although as you quite correctly stated its true form is Uthman.

Osmanli Devleti = The state of Osman
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Originally posted by azimuth

well the correct pronounciation is Uthman. ""   "th" as in "Earth"

Uthman or othman  was the name of the founder of the Ottoman empire.

i guess since European werent able to pronounce  Uthman the pronounced it ottoman.

Well in Arabic, it is Uthman, true, but in Turkish, it passed as "Osman"...I believe Europeans just made a conversion of Osman to Otto and said Ottoman

It is Osmanl in Turkish, which is the same meaning with Ottoman(State of Osman,the founder of the empire),so the only difference is how Europeans call the name "Osman"
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In Polish it is not 'Ottoman' but 'Osman'.
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Most probably, because polish people had much relation with arabs. So they used turkish type of word. Osman.

 
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I think they word passed fro mGreek to other European languages.
In greek its Οθωμανοι- O-tho-man-oi .
Many western europeans cannot pronounce "th" or simply avoid it.so it turned to "t".
Its most probable that it passed from Greeks,because they first came in contact with Ottomans and Turks in general,and they migrated (many scholars among them) to the west after the fall of the Empire.
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in German its also called Osmanisch
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Originally posted by Temujin

in German its also called Osmanisch
yeah, here in belgium is it similar "osmaanse rijk" but they also say "Ottomaanse rijk".
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Greeks say οθωμανική αυτοκρατορ ία (othomaniki autokratia) for Ottoman Empire. Othoman seems closer to Uthman, being ottomano the Italian version, otomano the Castilian and Portuguese one, otom the Catalan one and ottoman the French and (capitalized) English ones.

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Ottoman in western countries is a bastardized word for Osmanli in Turkish and it relates to Osman Bey the founder of the Osmanli   Imperial Dynasty in 1299.

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In Albanian, the term popularized today is otoman but many use a different Osman. I always believed it from a certain tribe...
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Name of that tribe is "Kay". But I am not sure, If we should call themself as builders of ottoman empire, It had only 400 house.

 
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Now Im rather interested.

The character of Osman must be heavily steeped in myth and tradition. But is there any real info on him? Also, what are some mytholical tales? Is he historically well established or does it have a Romulus ring to it?
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Is there any thread on the Kayi, i hear of them they came over in  400 tents whatever that measuremnet actaully means in head count. was it Osman that drowned crossing a river?
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I found an essay on Ertugrul Bey, the father of Osman. It has some info on the Kayi tribe:

http://www.byegm.gov.tr/yayinlarimiz/NEWSPOT/2002/may-jun/n7 .htm

 
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kotumeyil your always helpful. 
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