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R_AK47
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Topic: Accurate appearance of famous ancient people Posted: 10-Mar-2006 at 19:17 |
The technology now exists that enables scientists to analyse the skulls and bones of dead people and reconstruct their facial features. Does anyone know of any online sources concerning the reconstruction of famous historical figures? I watched a show on tv the other day where they reconstructed the face of Saint Nicholas. Just wondering what other famous faces they have reconstructed or are considering reconstructing. It would be interesting to see how the modern reconstructions compare to old paintings, statues, and written descriptions of these peoples appearance.
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Posted: 11-Mar-2006 at 03:33 |
Here you can find the facial reconstruction from the skull of the famous astronomer Copernicus:
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/imgpop.php?id=30174&in dex=0
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Posted: 11-Mar-2006 at 03:39 |
i know from a the skull they can reconstruct the face (mainly the nose)
but how do they know if he died fat or skinny from his skull?!
and the color of his skin and eyes and hair
or these are just assumptions?.
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Posted: 11-Mar-2006 at 04:20 |
Well variations in skull shapes amoungst humans do corrispond to a
degree with geograpy, so if you have someone who's skull shape is
highly highly similar to the people of Scandinavia, then you can assume
the same or at least very similar skin tones, and take a gamble on the
odds the hair being this or that.
Its not a 100% job though.
Fat is another thing though of course, though i guess it would be
possible to tell from the skeleton if the person was overwieght for a
significant part of their life.
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Posted: 12-Mar-2006 at 22:13 |
Yes, this is the sort of stuff I was talking about. Does anyone know of any others that have been done or are planned being done?
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Posted: 16-Mar-2006 at 12:28 |
Here's the facial reconstruction from the skull of King Tut. I recently went to the King Tut exhibition in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida and it was truly amazing.
Source: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/05/0511_050511_ kingtutface_2.html
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Posted: 16-Mar-2006 at 17:02 |
Prag and Neave were the pioneers of facial reconstruction. They wrote a book about they're work:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0890967849/102-5770815-7998 539?v=glance&n=283155
I think they took a stab at Agamemnon, Phillip II of Macedon, some Etruscan chick, etc..
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Posted: 16-Mar-2006 at 20:01 |
There used to be a BBC series about this, cant quite remember what it was called but I know the dvds exist somewhere, something like faces of the past or something.
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Posted: 19-Mar-2006 at 03:16 |
Hi my first post here.
The thing is that descriptions are a very difficult thing to get a good idea from. Words like dark, light and tall do not really mean much do they? After all it is all reletive. And with Kings and leaders well the portriats and busts were ment to flatter were'nt they rather than capture the "likeness."
Someone mentioned skin color. Well its an interesting topic for sure, not to mention a controversial one. It was Coon, I think who said that skin color was the "least reliable source of racial classification." I suppose you would take the average skin tone of the people in that area of that time. But the fact is that would it be reliable in places where skin tone varies immesly, like the Middle East or the Sub-Continent, or today Latin America?
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Posted: 19-Mar-2006 at 06:29 |
Skulls can tell alot about facial features and skull shapes combined
with that can trace someone to quite a specific geographical area, Its
possible to tell Irish from Germans and Punjabis from Tamils this way,
though never 100% accurate. You just take an average of the people in
that geograpical area with the same or hightly similar skull/facial
features. So you get the wrong shade of medium olive, not a big deal.
The Americas would the place that poses the biggest challenge when
trying to guess the tone of people who's skull suggest they are say
half European half African, but again, you can take an average from
people who are of that same basic ancestrial mix and get a most likely
guestimate.
The more generations of intermixing and with various amerindian and
even Asians (many Japanese and Koreans migrated to Brazil the US in particular in the
1800s), the more complicated it gets, but also the closer to the
present making it easy to compare with living close relatives. The further
back in time you go, the less intermixing, and this the easier it
becomes.
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Posted: 19-Mar-2006 at 08:17 |
Copernicus looks like my Grand Uncle almost exactly. Same hooked nose, same skin color and the person is at the same age. I am a trainee lawyer by profession and I have seen cases where the forensics dept gotten not only the features but the gender and race wrong.
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