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    Posted: 10-Mar-2006 at 10:07


I have two choices Rustame Farokhzad  and surenna.
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I also have two choices:

Salaheddin ayyobi in the old days and Mulla mustafa barzani in recent days.

Two great kurdish generals.

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I think KurSad(he was not leader but one of the bravest people in history), Selim the Grim and Alparslan for Turks...
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There were so many brave ones its hard to decide.  General Douglas MacArthur was one of the best though. 

 
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MacArthur was a very disagreeable person, with a poor strategical command (that campaign across the south Pacific against isolated enemies...) USA have many more and best, i think.
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General J. Laidoner would be my best guess.
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Originally posted by rider

General J. Laidoner would be my best guess.

In what era had he lived and does he have any significant battles won or achievements?I just wondered.
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hard to say, but probably general Joseph Wheeler, for his campaigns during both the civil war, and the spanish war in cuba, and maybe R.E. Lee, and black jack pershing.
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Leonidas, Alexander, ..., Constantine XI.

Makriyiannis (Greek revolutionaty war)

Plastiras (many wars in early 20th cent.), as commander of his evzonic regiment. He was nicknamed the 'Black rider'.

Captain Stavrianakos, leader of ELDYK (950+aprox.300 men). He fell by a M47 machinegun, when he tried to assault the tank with a hand grenade, outside the ELDYK camp, in 1974.

 
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Originally posted by R_AK47

There were so many brave ones its hard to decide.  General Douglas MacArthur was one of the best though. 

 

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My vote: Simon Bolivar
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This is a comprehensive link about general Johann Laidoner


http://www.laidoner.ee/cms/english/generallaidoner
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To be honest I have never heard of any of our generals engaging in personal combat or personal bravery, I think the emphasis here is to keep them alive as a permanent asset to military operations.

But I will vote for General Sir John Monash.
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Originally posted by poirot

Originally posted by R_AK47

There were so many brave ones its hard to decide.  General Douglas MacArthur was one of the best though. 

 

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My vote: Simon Bolivar

C'mon, Poirot.  Simon Bolivar wasn't Belgian! 

But seriously, MacArthur shouldn't be underestimated as a commander.

The problem with the topic is that it implies the brave general who led from the front.  In the transition from chivalrous leader to military technocrat that happened in the decades after about 1750, that type of general became extremely rare.  General officers who showed that kind of bravery tended to be more junior officers (brigadiers, etc.), not commanders of armies.

 
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We had so many brave generals that im not really able to judge who was the bravest one.

But when i think about our brave generals, always romantic poem about general Sowinski comes to my mind, written by our great romantic poet Julius Slowacki:

Sowinski in the Trenches
 
of Wola

Juliusz Slowacki

In the old churchhouse of Wola
General Sowinski remained,
Old man with a wooden leg,
Defending himself with a sword;
All around him lie commanders
Of battalions with their soldiers,
Muskets scattered, broken cannons,
Everything is devastated!

The General will not surrender,
The old man defends himself
Leaning up against the altar
On the sacred linen white,
There he rests his weary elbow
Where they lay the holy missals
On the left side of the altar
Where the priest reads from the Gospel

Suddenly some soldiers enter,
Servants of the Russian Marshall
Paskiewicz, and beg him: "General,
Surrender now, for why should you
Die so miserably." On their knees
They plead, as with their own father,
"Hand us your sword now, General,
Or the Marshall himself will come."

"I'll not surrender to you, Sirs,"
The old man answered calmly,
"Nor to you nor to the Marshall
Will I give my sword away,
Though the Czar himself demand it
Though I'm old, I'll not surrender,
But with sword I'll fight the battle
While my heart yet beats within me.

Even were there not so much as
One last Pole upon this planet,
I will be compelled to perish
For the good of my dear country,
And the fathers who begot me
I must perish in the trenches,
Sword in hand til death still fighting
Gainst . . . the enemies of Poland . . .
That ... this city might remember
And our little children, too
Who today are in their cradles
As the bombs play in their ears.
I will fight that these, our children
When they're grown, may well remember
That this day upon the ramparts
Died a General -- with leg of wood. 		When I walked about the city,
The youth would often laugh at me
For walking on a stick of wood,
And stumbling, old man, constantly.
Let them now pronounce the verdict,
Does this wooden leg well serve me,
Will it direct me straight to God,
And will it take me there quickly?

My adjutants, stupid dandies,
On your healthy legs so agile,
When the battle cry was sounded
Made good use of such good legs,
Whereas I upon this altar
Lean and rest, a crippled man,
I can't go in search of death,
But it will come in search of me.

Do not kneel thus, Sirs, before me,
I am not a holy man.
But I am a Pole of honor
Struggling to defend ... my life ...
I forsooth am not a martyr,
But I'll hold on til the end
And whom I can I'll slaughter,
I'll give blood ... but not my sword."

Thus spoke General Sowinski,
Old man with a wooden leg . . .
Then with flashing sword the General,
Held the bayonets at bay;
Til one of the older soldiers
Stabbed him mortally in the breast...
Leaning lifeless gainst the altar
Standing on his leg ... of wood...

















-translated by Walter Whipple
 
 
Biography of Sowinski can be found here:
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sowinski
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If you can consider her as a general, Joan of Arc was definately the bravest and most courageous of all.

The way stood up against torture and how she kept her dignity even when burned deserves respect.

Overwise, I would consider De Richelieu as a general and yeah he had a lot of guts.
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One of these two:

Fran Krsto Frankopan

Miklos Subic Zrinyi (he was part Croat, which a lot of people don't know)

 
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MacArthur switched between being very good (Inchon for example was a masterpiece) to horrificly bad (the bit where he ignored the Chinese armies in Korea....).

for Britain....King Arthur!

Duke of Wellington, King Richard Lionheart, Field marshals Montgomery and Slim (kudos to Slim he was brilliant), Black Prince, Caractacus, Boudicca, William of Orange (not truly Brit but...), Duke of Malborough...
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Belisarius without a doubt...read Count Belisarius and all he had to go through in his life and trying to save a dying empire ALL BY HIMSELF REALLY!!!
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Robert E Lee certainly may have been the bravest General given all the circumstances.

He declined a postion from Lincoln to run the union army in 1861 and knowingly took the position of disadvantage in the confederate army because he did not want the forced succession of Virginia his home, into the union.

Pretty brave decision knowing what odds were against them and he made a run of it with decisive victories and basically lost a war of attrition.



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