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Martial Law Declared as Nearly 150 Die in Clashes in Central China

By JOSEPH KAHN

Published: November 1, 2004

BEIJING, Oct. 31 - Ethnic clashes between majority Han Chinese and Hui Muslims left almost 150 people dead and forced the authorities to declare martial law in a section of Henan Province in central China, journalists and witnesses in the region said Sunday.

The fighting flared Friday and continued into the weekend after a Hui taxi driver's car hit and killed a 6-year-old Han girl, prompting recriminations between different ethnic groups in neighboring villages, the journalists and witnesses said. One individual briefed on the incident by the police said 148 people had been killed, including 18 police officers sent to quell the violence.

The Chinese news media have reported nothing about unrest in Henan. But a news blackout would not be unusual, because propaganda authorities routinely suppress information about ethnic tensions.

Though most Chinese belong to the dominant Han ethnicity, the country has 55 other ethnic groups, including several Muslim minorities and others with ties to Tibet, Southeast Asia, Korea and Mongolia.

Hui Muslims, scattered in several provinces in the central and western parts of the country, are relatively well integrated into Chinese society and not generally considered a threat to stability.

But outbreaks of Hui unrest were not uncommon in the 1980's, and tensions can bubble to the surface after even minor provocations. Many Hui areas remain impoverished despite rapid economic growth in China's urban and coastal regions, and some members of minority groups say the Han-dominated government does little to steer prosperity to them.

The road accident on Friday set off large-scale fighting after relatives, friends and fellow villagers of the girl who was killed, most of them Han, traveled to the mostly Hui village of the taxi driver to demand compensation. The rival villagers failed to settle their dispute, which quickly grew to involve thousands of people in Zhongmou County between the cities of Zhengzhou and Kaifeng, according to two accounts of the incident.

The local police failed to contain the unrest and authorities deployed the paramilitary People's Armed Police to restore order. Martial law was declared over the weekend, people in the area said, adding that the situation had since stabilized.

One person briefed on the clashes said the authorities might have been particularly alarmed after the police stopped a 17-truck convoy carrying Hui men to the area from other counties and provinces as it passed through Qi County, near Zhongmou. Blockades were set up on major roads in the area, and some bus service was halted.

That suggests that word of the violence may have spread through a network of Hui and perhaps other Muslim groups and that mutual support among them is relatively strong. But details were sketchy and difficult to confirm.

A police officer who answered the telephone in the Zhongmou County public security office on Sunday night declined to provide any information on the matter.

China's countryside and second-tier cities are rife with unrest among peasants and workers complaining about corruption, unpaid wages and other issues. Violent protests, once extremely rare, occur frequently.

Last week, rioters set fire to police cars and looted government offices in Wanzhou, in Chongqing municipality in southwest China, after an argument between several people set off a riot involving as many as 10,000 people, residents and Western news agencies reported.

Chris Buckley contributed reporting from Beijing for this article.

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  Quote warhead Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Nov-2004 at 16:40
Ethnic intensity between Hui and Han has been dated far back to ancient times. During the later Qing, Hui and Han had such great conflicts that they started many wars. The Han ethnic group in Yunnan started to slaughter the Muslim inhabitants until the central authority made Lin Ze Xu to investigate the case. He manage to settle the affair and punish those murderers.
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  Quote hansioux Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Nov-2004 at 17:07

I know that.  The history of Han Hui conflict is nothing more than the dominant culture oppressing the other.  That intrigues me little.

I just want to see if this news travels to XinJiang.  I know the Chinese press are attemping to supress this news.

I am waiting for the East Turkistan groups's reactions.

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  Quote warhead Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Nov-2004 at 17:08
Its quite irrelevant if it goes to Xing Jiang, the Uighurs hates the Hui people even more than the Han.
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  Quote cattus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Nov-2004 at 17:11
why do the uyghurs have such hatred for the Hui ?
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  Quote hansioux Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Nov-2004 at 17:37

Originally posted by warhead

Its quite irrelevant if it goes to Xing Jiang, the Uighurs hates the Hui people even more than the Han.

Please explain why the Uighurs, the group where the word Hui is dereived from in the first place, hates the Hui people?

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  Quote Gubook Janggoon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Nov-2004 at 17:42
This is so sad....
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  Quote hansioux Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Nov-2004 at 18:23

By the way, the term Hui in Chinese is used very loosely.  It defines less of a ethnic group, rather a religious preference.  Those who believes in Muslim are call Hui.


The first Muslim people that the Han Chinese encountered are the Uyghurs.  The Uyghurs converted from the Shamman or Qam and buddhism to Muslim religion around the 10th century.  The Uyghurs, traditionally translated as "Hui-He", became the term to refer to Muslim in the Han language.  For example, Muslim religion is called "Hui".  This then becomes a ethnic term used to describe people who are Muslim.

 

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  Quote demon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Nov-2004 at 18:24
Wow, i did not know that China had Muslim groups  
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  Quote hansioux Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Nov-2004 at 18:34

to demon,

Muslim groups in China mostly comes from 2 sources.

From the Uyghurs and ethnic groups from Mongolia and XinJiang:  They may have moved to the city and coast lines from after Tang dynasty to present.

From Arabian Merchants:  During Song and Ming dynasty, there were a lot of Arabian merchants traveling to China.  A lot of them decided to stay.  Zheng He for example is one of them.  A lot of these Muslims have the last name Ma, horse in Han.  That comes from the phonic translation of Muslim.

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"Please explain why the Uighurs, the group where the word Hui is dereived from in the first place, hates the Hui people?"

 

The term hui changed throughout history. It use to mean any muslim that do not have their own language. But as time change it became a ethnic group. Hui people are not present day Uighurs, uighurs are another ethnicity called the Wei Wu Er, they used to be called Hui Hu, buts thats during the Tang dynasty. Hui people today are in fact Han in race and language, the major difference been their religion and culture. Here is why Uighurs hate Hui, from CHF

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The Uighurs don't like the Hui because they are Han, the Han do not trust the Hui because they are Muslim.

The other muslims disliked Hui for their unfaithfulness here is the saying: "If you have 3 Hui together they will not eat pork, if you have 2 Hui together one will cover the other while he eats pork, if you have one Hui alone, he will take off his cap and become a Han."

 In order of least liked nationalities in Xinjiang, it went Hui, Han, Kazakhs. the saying goes, Don't trust the Kazakhs, Kick the Hans out, but we must kill the Hui.

In any case one of the animosity toward the Hui is also because the Hui is also renowned businessmen, often travelling great distance to make a sale!
Within large dominant-Han cities, Hui restaurants is popular due to their Halal style meat, which many consider to be clean and healthy."

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  Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Nov-2004 at 19:22
Ethnic clashes


hehe, gotta love American jargon.

Religion can itself be a marker of ethnicity, its all down to the individual circumstances of the group in question.

Though this is really a current affairs topic surely?
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  Quote cattus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Nov-2004 at 20:16
never like that term, "ethnic clashes". "ethnic cleansing", the worst.
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  Quote hansioux Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Nov-2004 at 20:29

To warhead,

I understand that.  I have also said that

"By the way, the term Hui in Chinese is used very loosely.  It defines less of a ethnic group, rather a religious preference.  Those who believes in Muslim are call Hui."

We'll see what the Uyghurs will do.  I don't even think those in China would hear about this news anyway.

 

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  Quote warhead Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Nov-2004 at 20:33
Hui today is considered one of the 56 ethnic group in China so it indeed is separate ethnicity of its own.
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  Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Nov-2004 at 20:34
Originally posted by Catt

never like that term, "ethnic clashes". "ethnic cleansing", the worst.


Ethnic cleansing at least privides somesort of context of whats going on.
'Ethnic clashes' just seems a lazy term, sort of 'hmm, two groups who are technicly a little bit different are having a rumble, need a name here, ethnic clashes, here we go...'.
Under the circumstances, religiousclashes would seem more appropiate, or perhaps just 'inter-communal clashes' , which is the term that would normaly be used IIRC (or maybe thats a Brit thing, don't know).
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  Quote Gubook Janggoon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Nov-2004 at 21:09
Is martial law declared only in that area or the rest of the country too?
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  Quote hansioux Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Nov-2004 at 21:23
From this report, it looks like just this area.
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  Quote babyblue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Nov-2004 at 01:34

           it'll die down very soon...trust me. don't make such an issue out of it, it's not worth it.

                   it's not like Bin Laden's gonna attack china now 'cause a few muslim got killed in some province.



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  Quote hansioux Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Nov-2004 at 14:33
Well, Babyblue, I don't know how you feel about things, but to me 150 people dead in a riot is a pretty big deal.  Maybe not to you, I guess you are probably going to say somehting like there's so many of them or something.
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