Early T�rkish and Europan languages

Originally posted by Orkon How are your opinions,this examples?

Very simple. It's just coincidence...

Originally posted by Turkoglu due to Troyagen Theorie; after the war of Troy, 2 commander survived one went to europe (etructians) one went to central asia interensting subject.

Oh no! Please tell me you are not implying what I think you are implying..?

Tepe isn't turkish but persian.

funny and silly idea.

My wonder is: those words are General Turkic or Anatolian Turk.

In each case they may have differnet points of contact with IE languages: it is obvious that Anatolian Turks are descendant of Anatolian natives that now speak a Turkic language. Among the languages spoken in Ancient Anatolia, many were Indo-European: Greek, Luwian, Phrygian, Armenian, etc. Some loans can well have gone locally in Anatolia IE->Turk.

In Central Asia, Turks also meddled with Indo Europeans, though, due to lack of written sources, it is less clear how. It's evident that what is now Turkestan used to speak Indo-European languages such as Scythian, Tocharian, etc. Some of these IE->Turk loans may have also happen in Central Asia therefore.

Finally, Turkic peoples in many ways had an unclear but real influence over Eastern and Central European peoples: Huns, arguably Avars and Magyars, Tatars and finally even Ottoman Turks may have influenced some words in IE European languages, tough most likely not very basic ones.

Finally there are theories that propose that Altaic, Uralic and Indo-European languages are all derived from a common source, along maybe other linguistic families (Siberian and Inuit in one theory and Afroasiatic and Dravidic in the other).

Anyhow, a few words mean little. But if you manage to collect hundreds or thousands of them in a coherent system, you have probably a linguistic link.

Originally posted by Orkon T�rkish and Europan languages not same origin,this languages haven't common word origins.

When you say European languages you mean Indo-European languages I suppose.

But look these maps.

Ba = Basque

C = Celtic

FU = Finno - Ugric

G = Germanic

I = Iberian

IE = Indo European

R = Romance

S = Slavic

U = Uralic

 

X = Unknown

At the end of the ice age:

in 5 500 BC

In 3000 BC:

Present day:

Reference:

http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/articles/ieorigins/

Originally posted by Socrates Originally posted by barish Originally posted by Maju it is obvious that Anatolian Turks are descendant of Anatolian natives that now speak a Turkic language. Can you prove it? Maju didn't mean that the orriginal turkic-speakers were anatolians-he simply ment that original turkic speakers who conquered anatolians asimilated those anatolian natives, which spoke IE languages. Maybe u already knew this-and i misinterpreted your question...if so-sorry .

Well if he was referring to some of us then I see no problem.

But claiming that modern people of Anatolia have no connection with Central Asia ethnically, is incorrect.

The ones who live in Central Asia are not Oghuz Turks, so it's only natural that I look different from them.

Originally posted by Raider Originally posted by Orkon T�rkish and Europan languages not same origin,this languages haven't common word origins. When you say European languages you mean Indo-European languages I suppose. But look these maps. Ba = Basque C = Celtic FU = Finno - Ugric G = Germanic I = Iberian IE = Indo European R = Romance S = Slavic U = Uralic   X = Unknown At the end of the ice age: in 5 500 BC In 3000 BC: Present day: Reference: http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/articles/ieorigins/

Must I say that I disagree with this Refrew-ist shceme? Very beautifully put but wrong. U area would probably be Caucasic (except the north that is only lately colonized). Equally Anatolia and maybe the Balcans would also speak those "Caucasic" languages probably.

IE was only in the easternmost corner of Europe... but well.

As far as topic concerned, it's just a coincidance, there is no real connection between Indo EU and Uralic-Altaic languages other than intermixing via loaned words.

As for Anatolia, It's funny when people say there is no Turkic genes in Turkey.So those people conquered themselves by using title Turk dear maju? do you think Gagauz, most of Tatars or Bulgar Turks looked like CA Turks? Read some more about what Western and Eastern Turk is.