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Topic: Iranian Neo Nazi party Posted: 02-Mar-2006 at 21:17 |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumka
Sumka is the name given to an Iranian neo-Nazi party (otherwise known as Hezb-e Sosialist-e Melli-ye Kargaran-e Iran, "Iran National-Socialist Workers Party, this is the exact translation of the German NSDAP=Nationalsozialistische deutsche Arbeiterpartei).
The party was formed in 1952 by Davud Monshizadeh, a professor at Ludwig Maximilians University of Munich, who claimed to have served with the SS (=Schutzstaffel) and been injured fighting in Berlin. Before this the name had been used informally to refer to those in Iran who supported Adolf Hitler during the Second World War. As an organised group, they looked to the works of Jos Ortega y Gasset for inspiration, as well as Hitler, and Monshizadeh translated a number of his works into Farsi which he hoped would serve as founding principles for the party. Despite building up a minor support base in Iranian universities, the party did not last long. They were firmly opposed to the rule of Mohammed Mossadegh during their brief period of influence.
The party was revived in the early 2000s( not in Iran), although it remains to be seen how far this revival extended beyond the internet. They now present their two main enemies as being Jews and Arabs, in keeping with the anti-Semitism and Aryan identity politics of the original party.
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ir}nswp.html
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The flag of the Iranian National-socialist Workers Party' (SOMKA or SUMKA, from the acronym of Hezb-e Sosialist-e Melli-ye Kargaran-e Iran in Farsi language) was a Nazi-like flag with a stylized eagle in the middle but I don't know the meaning of this. This party was a very small organization involved in politics during the beginning of the 1950s but it disappeared very quickly. The party was opposed to Mosadegh's democratic governement(1950-1953) and exposed a strong neonazi idelogy. Its leader was Davud Monshizadeh.
(Also Dariush Homayoun was a member of Sumka at 1952)
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Posted: 02-Mar-2006 at 21:26 |
lol, yea, i heard of these guys...
its funny how some people still believe in nazism, but what ever toots their horn...
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Posted: 02-Mar-2006 at 21:28 |
Man, this is sad. I think the anti-Jewishness of Nazism really appealed to them.
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Posted: 02-Mar-2006 at 21:33 |
and to germans, and to the french, and to the americans, and to the russians, and to the british, and to the spanish, and to the italians.
basically, any white people or people of aryan descent will easily be lurred to nazism, its so tempting for them.
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Posted: 02-Mar-2006 at 21:34 |
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006%5C03%5C02 %5Cstory_2-3-2006_pg4_5
Khatami attacks Ahmadinejad over Holocaust
TEHRAN: Irans former reformist president Mohammad Khatami has described the Holocaust as a historical reality - a stinging attack on his controversial and revisionist successor Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
We should speak out if even a single Jew is killed. Dont forget that one of the crimes of Hitler, Nazism and German national socialism was the massacre of innocent people, among them many Jews, the cleric said in comments carried in the Iranian press on Wednesday.
The Holocaust, he asserted, should be recognised even if this historical reality has been misused and there is enormous pressure on the Palestinian people.
Ahmadinejad has caused international outrage by insisting the Holocaust - the killing of an estimated six million Jews by the Nazis and their allies during World War II in death camps and elsewhere - was a myth used to justify the creation of Israel.
He has also said the Jewish state must be wiped off the map or moved as far away as Alaska - comments that have provoked anger in the West and even condemnation from the UN Security Council.
Ahmadinejads violent rhetoric has also served to increase tensions over Irans atomic energy drive, seen in the West as a mask for weapons development.
Khatami served as Irans president from 1997 to 2005, and attempted to open up Iran to the West and initiate a dialogue among civilisations - in stark contrast to the ultra-conservative agenda of Ahmadinejad. afp |
more articles here: http://news.google.com/news?q=khatami+holocaust&hl=en&am p;lr=&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2006-05,GGLG:en&sa=N&tab=nn& amp;oi=newsr
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Posted: 02-Mar-2006 at 21:35 |
Originally posted by Maziar
@Emperor Barbarosa, anti semitic by this people means only anti Arabic. I am sure they have nothing against jews. But this doesn't make them better. |
barbarossa should know that probably the USA has the largest neo nazis population in the world.
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Posted: 02-Mar-2006 at 21:39 |
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Originally posted by Maziar
@Emperor Barbarosa, anti semitic by this people means only anti Arabic. I am sure they have nothing against jews. But this doesn't make them better. |
barbarossa should know that probably the USA has the largest neo nazis population in the world.
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Actually he knows it well, he wanted to mention his sadness about people with the anti jewishness feeling
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Posted: 02-Mar-2006 at 21:42 |
no he didnt, he was generalising all iranians as sympathetic to anti jewish feelings.
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Posted: 02-Mar-2006 at 21:56 |
when did he?
Btw Sumka isn't anti jewish, anti semitic means by them only anti arabic.
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Posted: 02-Mar-2006 at 21:59 |
They now present their two main enemies as being Jews and Arabs, in keeping with the anti-Semitism and Aryan identity politics of the original party.
^^ that is what you posted.
what barbarossa said: "I think the anti-Jewishness of Nazism really appealed to them. "
^^ explain that maziar.
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Posted: 02-Mar-2006 at 22:08 |
This is from Wikipedia, i have posted it as it written there. i know a member of Sumka here in Hamburg. I think what he said is more accurat than Wikipedia.
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Posted: 02-Mar-2006 at 22:12 |
Originally posted by prsn41ife
what barbarossa said: "I think the anti-Jewishness of Nazism really appealed to them. "
^^ explain that maziar.
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I think the anti-Jewishness of Nazism really appealed to them.(=Sumka) this is what i understand.
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Posted: 02-Mar-2006 at 22:14 |
Originally posted by Maziar
This is from Wikipedia, i have posted it as it written there. i know a member of Sumka here in Hamburg. I think what he said is more accurat than Wikipedia. |
i hope you arent part of sumka
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Posted: 02-Mar-2006 at 22:19 |
No no i am not don't worry
now back to topic, i have heared Darioush homayoun was a sumka member too, at least in 1952.
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Posted: 02-Mar-2006 at 23:25 |
As far as I rememer Monshizadeh was supporting Mosadegh, a member to the National party of Iran.
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Posted: 03-Mar-2006 at 00:45 |
There is a Nazi party in Russia also, its nonsense, they killed 20 million Russians and some idiots revere them
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Posted: 03-Mar-2006 at 05:21 |
This party is a joke and it is a great embarrasment. don't we have enough problems without having goddamned so called nazis?
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Man, this is sad. I think the anti-Jewishness of Nazism really appealed to them. |
Prsn4life is right Barbarossa did imply that Iranians have higher than usual anti-Jewish tendency, but I should remind him that Iran has never persecuted Jews, unlike England, Russia, Spain, Germany and pretty much every other European country. And if I didn't think he was being serious, it would be worthy of a warning.
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Posted: 03-Mar-2006 at 06:02 |
This is disgusting...
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They don't speak enough about the Kurds, because we have never taken hostages, never hijacked a plane. But I am proud of this.
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Posted: 03-Mar-2006 at 06:03 |
But I have a question:
Is it common for Shia Iranians to be a little anti-semitic? Because I have some friends who are Iranian and Kurdish shiias who are a little anti-semitic, and when I ask why, they say: I don't know, I just don't like jews.
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They don't speak enough about the Kurds, because we have never taken hostages, never hijacked a plane. But I am proud of this.
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Posted: 03-Mar-2006 at 06:21 |
By the way, I heard from my mother that my grandfather fought in the war between Israel and Arabs in the 60ties (I think it was), and my question was: Was this common? He went there as a volunteer, to fight against the Jewish state.
Kinda ironic eh? As a Kurd he didn't have a country, and instead of fighting for his own nation, he goes and fights for Islam.
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They don't speak enough about the Kurds, because we have never taken hostages, never hijacked a plane. But I am proud of this.
Abdul Rahman Qassemlou
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