What if China found Mexico first?

I heard that China built a large fleet and planned exploration before Europe did  but was halted by their emperor who saw it as a waste of time. What year was this when China had the largest fleet in the world? and would the Chinese have  commited genocide, rape, destruction of culture, destruction of cities, destruction of  religion, stealing of gold and wealth, and pure chaotic death as the Spaniards did? Or would the Chinese simply share their culture with the Mexicans and the Mexicans share theirs and begin trade between the two nations?

Also Chinese and Japanese  culture was similar to Mexican culture  for example the use of jade, warrior schools, spicy foods, religion, governement  and philosophy.

There's actually some evidence that the Chinese had "discovered" Australia as early as early 14th century.

http://www.treasureenterprises.com/Additional%20Pages/archae ology_in_australia.htm 

"It appears the Chinese drew their first official map of Australia in 1320 AD. It was referred to as the Chu Ssu Pen map. It can only be assumed that the Chinese without doubt, had the capabilities of sailing regularly to Australia, mapping and exploring its coastal and nearby inland areas.

In the time between c. 1400 �C 1500 AD, the Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese, and French came exploring the coastlines of Australia. There are numerous wonderful maps of antiquity in institutions that show evidence of their great explorative journeys. Some of these include (a) The De Noha Map of 1414 (b) The Genovese World Map of 1451 (c) The Toscanelli Map of 1474.

It is believed that a porcelain map showing a reasonable accurate outline of Australia is supposed to have been presented to the Chinese emperor, Ying Tsung in 1477, suggesting that the continent had been circumnavigated by Chinese seamen before that date.

In 1542, the Dutchman, Cornelius Wytfliet published a map showing roughly the East and West coast and the Gulf of Carpentaria.

A map which is held in the Vatican Library, Italy, shows Jesuit Fr. Ricci's North Queensland map which formed part of his world map drawn in Peking, China in 1602."

Other interesting about the connection of ancient China with Australia:

"It appears ancient mariners from China had a long and perhaps closer relationship with the great south land than previously thought. For instance, ancient Chinese writings record two Australian solar eclipses in 592 BC and 553 BC. "

"A carved stone statue (now known as the famous Gympie 'Ape Idol') was unearthed when a field was being ploughed (c. 1966) near the site of the 'Gympie Pyramid'. Two theories is that (a) It could be in fact a replica of the Egyptian god Thoth �C the God of Wisdom and Inventor of the Arts of Writing which could be at least 3000 years old and was made from local ironstone. Or (b) It could be one of the missing sacrificial statues for the Chinese God of Longevity buried in the great south land by Cheng Ho during his voyage of 1432(?).This near metre high artefact is currently displayed in a glass case at the Gympie District Historical and Gold Mining Museum. "

"In 1980, a woman unearthed a carved stone head of the Chinese Goddess Shao Lin �C the Protectress of Mariners near Milton, New South Wales. This is on display at Rex Gilroy's Museum in Tamworth, New South Wales. "

"Located on the Hawkesbury River in New South Wales found in recent years was another carved stone statue similar to the one found near the 'Gympie Pyramid'. Could this have been the third and final statue from the Chinese Emperor left behind by Cheng Ho?"

I agree. But at the same time he did present some interesting "facts" there're rather difficult to explain. E.g.

http://www.1421.tv/gallery.asp?Section=Metal+artefacts

Chinese cast brass artefact found in Northwestern Australia

This brass artefact was found off the northern Australian coast by Peter Weaver and his father 23 years ago. It was found with Chinese pottery and an opium pipe. Can anyone shed any light on its origin?

It appears? Either it is or it is not. Besides, Australia is beyond the Indonesia islands. What is "Australia" is more likely one of those islands. Nobody is denying that the Chinese did not have the capability of reaching Australia. The problem is that Australia was not integrated in the Asian commercial system and as such it was not frequented by Asians.

You are using European maps to prove that the Chinese reached Australia? Don't you think that is ridiculous? Besides European 15th century maps were full of imaginary islands.

It is believed... Suggesting... These words are not synonims of hard evidence.

That is the result of Portuguese explorations in Australia.

Not even worth commenting.

As for the artefacts you mention (assuming they are Chinese) they could have been brought by Europeans or they could have been put there by someone wanting to "prove" that the Chinese were there first. Similar examples have also happened in America with artefacts from Phoenicians and other peoples from the Antiquity. I think that only artefacts found in conditions considered acceptable by archeologists are the only ones that can be valid. Those you mention don't fit here.

Yea Itzocelotl didnt say that the Mexicans, Mayans, Incas , Lakotas ect were peacful. He didnt say AMercia was some paradise of peace and endless nirvana and harmony!

so yea stop trying to be so hard!

This post is NOT about Menzies's theory (which, I think, does not have much credibility). I just want to share with you some information I came across. I don't know how credible the information is, but it's very interesting.

In 1982, Prof Wei Chu-Hsien published a book called China and America -Volume One in which he documented ancient China's contacts with America . Some of his information was based on ancient Chinese classics. Some was based on his contact with Prof Lau Tun-li of SUNY who provided information on American Indian's heritage such as i) praying for rain, ii) ancestral stone worshipping, and iii) Chinese inscriptions found in America. 

Wei Chu-Hsien spent considerable time reading into ancient classics and excavated interesting points covering the American continents:

1. Chen Shou's San Guo Zhi recorded two statelets to the southeast of Japan, i.e., Luo-guo (naked body) statelet and Heichi-guo (black teeth) statelet, which could be reached by travelling for one year on boat. Some Japanese historians speculated that the two statelets to the southeast of Japan must have been located in Central or South Americas.

2. Yao Silian's Liang Shu (History of Southern Liang Dynasty)

• mentioned that the two statelets of Luo-guo and Heichi-guo were 4,000 Chinese li distance to the southeast of Japan or 1-year sea journey by boat
• recorded an island 10,000 li to the southwest of Japan where people, of black body and white eyes, were said to have delicious meat on their body; it said that travellers would shoot to kill those islanders for eating them.
• To the northeast of Japan, Liang Shu recorded a Wen-shen-guo (tattoo) statelet that was located 7,000 Chinese li distance away from Japan; 5000 li to the east of Wen-shen-guo would be Da-han-guo statelet - Wen-shen-guo would be somewhere near Hokkaido, while Da-han-guo statelet would be likely in Bering Straits, Aleutian Islands & Alaska
• Liang Shu was noted for its record of Fu-sang Statelet to the east. The word 'fusang' would later be used by Chinese for designating Japan in poems; Wei Chu-Hsien validated a separate identity of Fusang from Japan by citing ancient records in regards to the usage of iron in Japan but not in Fusang. The more exact mapping would be to measure distance between statelets in between: a Wen-shen-guo (tattoo) statelet (near Hokkaido?) was located 7,000 Chinese li distance to the northeast of Japan; 5000 li to the east of Wen-shen-guo would be Da-han-guo statelet (near Bering Straits, Aleutian Islands & Alaska?). Fu-Sang (Fusang) Statelet was located 20,000 Chinese li distance to the east of Da-han-guo, somewhere near British Columbia or Oregon. Here, we could see an apparent linkage from China, to Korea, to Japan, to "tattoo body" country, to "Great Han" country, and to Fu-sang.

                                                            "Great Han" -------------- Fu-sang
                                                            / country
                                                           /
                                           /"tattoo body" 
                                          /   country
                                         /
                                        /
        China   ----  Korea  ---- Japan

• Popular belief is that Fusang was located in today's Mexico. Liang Shu stated that during the first year of the Yongyuan Era of Southern Qi Dynasty, i.e., AD 499, a monk by the name of Hui-shen (Huishen or Hui Shen) arrived at Jingzhou prefecture from the Fu-Sang (Fusang) Statelet. Hui-shen claimed that:
• Fu-Sang (Fusang) was to the east of China; that it was located 20,000 li distance from Da-han-guo statelet; that it was a land full of Fu-Sang (Fusang) wood (speculated to be North American corn by Chinese or cactus-like agave by Americans); that Fu-Sang (Fusang) people had log cabins but no cities;
• Hui-shen also stated that over 1000 li distance to the east of Fusang would be a country called N��-guo (women statelet). N��-guo was speculated to be the Amazon statelet in South America. N��-guo women were said to have lighter skin, hairy body, and long hair that dangled to the floor. 

 Prof Wei Chu-Hisen's Expositions On Symbols & Characters
 
1) Nude goddess excavated by Corde de Gugui on Mt Truillo in northern Peru in 1865

• Peru had been the place where most of the potteries, and jade / silver articles carrying Chinese characters had been located. Most notable would be a silver artifact of a nude goddess excavated by Corde de Gugui on Mt Truillo in northern Peru in 1865. Wei Chu-Hsien pointed that the sunflower goddess, sitting on a turtle with snake winding arount it, had two plates in her hands, with Chinese characters 'wu-dang shan' or Mt Wudang-shan inscribed and that in Wudang area of China's northern Hubei Prov, the snake-turtle coupling was treated as a divine spirit called 'xuan-wu' during China's south-north dynasty time period.

Ancient classics Wu-zi (military strategist Wu Qi of Warring State time period) listed 'xuan-wu' together with three other divine spirits of 'qing long' (green dragon which was speculated to be sea-horse by Wei), 'bai hu' (white tiger which used to exist in China 2000 years ago but now available in India only), and 'zhu que' (red bird).
 
Artifacts of four divine spirits were also found on stone coffins excavated in Korea and Manchuria. Wei Chu-Hsien pointed out that the southside spirit of red-bird and northside spirit of snake-turtle coupling were both imports since snakes and turtles rarely existed in deep north of China. [Wei Chu-Hsien stated that Shang Chinese, on basis of oracle words feng (phoenix people) lu (surrender) bai (hundred), had at one time received hundreds of turtles from ancient Indonesians and Malasians as tributaries and later used the turtle shell for incribing oracle characters.] Wei Chu-Hsien cited numerous records stating that 'xuan-wu' was not a spirit born in China, but an import. Wei Chu-Hsien came to a natural conclusion that ancient Chinese, more than 2500-3700 years ago, had contacts with Central America's tropical tribesmen who adored snake-turtle as a spirit. 
 
2) Chinese characters of a name inscribed on a high mountain in Peru. Wei Chu-Hsien received, via HK consul Marto F. Rbatde Azva, pictures taken by Prof Daniel Ruzo of inscriptions on Marcahuasi Plateau which was about 3800-4000 meters above sea level. Wei Chu-Hsien recognized 6 characters and a picture of a man with three eyes. The 6 characters would be 'Mu (wood, a surname) Wu-Ben (given name, meaning martial principle), Sui (hence) Wei (made into) Ji (a record)'. The picture of thee eye man was speculated by Wei Chu-Hsien to have relation to the legendary one-arm and three-eye Qigong-guo statelet as recorded in Shan Hai Jing. Wei Chu-Hsien cited the claim of Guo Pu of Jinn Dynasty that Qigong-guo people had visited first Shang Dynasty overlord in 18th century BC. Later legendary novel Feng Shen Bang wrote about three eye god. Wei Chu-Hsien, by examing the font of the characters, concluded that someone called Mu Wuben visited Peru in the 1st century AD in search of the legendary Qigong-guo and left his name on the high mountain. 
 
3) 23 Chinese characters of 'ya' inscribed on a pottery excavated in Mexico. Wei Chu-Hsien explained that the Mexico pottery had 23 'ya' characters inscribed because the base of the pottery was too small to fill up another two characters to make a total of 25 which would be symbolic of twenty-five clans of Huangdi the Yellow Lord. Wei Chu-Hsien cited Jinn Yu section of ancient classics Guo Yu to translate the original meaning of 'ya' as lineage, something to mean that Huangdi's 25 sons had established their independent clans. As to the reason that the pottery was excavated in Mexico, Wei Chu-Hsien cited the ancient dynastic transition of Shang-Zhou as the possible cause. 
Wei Chu-Hsien rephrased the Shang-Zhou story as follows: Last Shang Lord King Zhouwang campaigned against 'Ren-fang-guo' statelet on Shandong Peninsula. After defeating Ren-fang-guo, Zhouwang led a few soldiers back to the capital of Chaoge for lunar new year celebration. Upon hearing of Zhouwang's return with a light force, Zhou Lord Wuwang marched towards Shang capital within six days and nights and encountered Zhouwang at the outskirts of Muye where Zhou army defeated Shang's drunken soldiers. Shang King Zhouwang committed suicide. Zhou Lord Wuwang made Shang Prince Lufu inherit the Shang heritage and then went back to the west. After Wuwang died, Zhou Duke Zhougong assumed the post of a regent for Zhou King Chengwang. In old Shang capital area, Shang Prince Lufu died. Shang Prince Lufu's son, Prince Wugeng, conspired with the brothers of Zhou Wuwang in rebelling against Zhou Regent Zhougong. Zhougong defeated the rebellion and furthermore campaigned against Shang remnants who were left by Shang Lord Zhouwang on Shandong Peninsula's Ren-fang-guo statelet. Shang remnants hence fled towards two directions, one branch to Taiwan Island and the other branch to North America via the Bering Straits. Those Shang people who arrived in North America stationed two chieftans on the east and west sides of the Bering Straits and conferred onto the two chieftans the titles of east-sea and north-sea kings. The east-sea and north-sea kings would become the gods in revised book Shan Hai Jing.