Azerbaijani Origions

however,there could be an explanation for that. during the arab occupation of iran (which lasted 222 years), many iranians from all over iran fled north and set up a resistance movement, which eventually defeated the arabs. those maps could be refering to that, but as azerbaijan goes, it was never a nation.

Originally posted by Taleyran01  Armenians and Persians are discussing Azerbaijan History   Anyway, Azerbaijan was free and first republic in the east in 1918-1920 I could write a lot, but I won't be able to change your minds anyway

that state was set up by russia amidst the constituional revolution of iran. at that same time britain helped seperate khouzestan from iran. both were foreign lead imperialist moves. 

that is why when iran remobilised it was able to take these territories back quickly, because the general people did not support the sepratists, adn resistance was very low

stop learning your pan turkish propaganda, and when you do, then maybe you can join this "armenian and iranian discussion about azerbaijani's". but till then, since you dont post any evidence, and since all the notable azeri's in iranian history have always been loyal to iran and have never thought of seperating, your claims are baseless and false.

Originally posted by Taleyran01  Armenians and Persians are discussing Azerbaijan History Anyway, Azerbaijan was free and first republic in the east in 1918-1920 I could write a lot, but I won't be able to change your minds anyway

1) You mean "first muslim republic", not the "first republic".

2) What's wrong with other's discussing one's history? During 19th century Germans and British historians knew much more about Armenia's history than many Armenians themselves. I not saying that you're knowledge is not less than anyone else, but just because you're Azeri it doesn't automatically mean that all [possible] incorrect statements that you express are suddenly a fact and reality.

Originally posted by prsn41ife anyway, its pretty obvious that azeris were turkified, therefore, i dont know why turks claim azeri's to be origionally turkic. thats like saying that egyptians were origionally arab.

enough

azeri is turkic

do you understand

 

ok, we do not get each other, cose we do not understand our psychology:

Azeri-in reality are the people, who lives in Azerbaijan (both north and south) without depending their nationality, and this is Iranic calling

We in north, call ourselves, Azerbaijani, not even Turkish (That does not mean that we're not, we're, both north and south)

We call south Azerbaijanians as Iranian Turks.

That is what we call or usually what would be understandable in Azerbaijan.

Before Turks came here in late 6-7 centuries (dede qorkut), there was not any turk, Albanian, Atropatenians were not neither Turkish nor Iranian, they were native Caucasian.

After Turks came here during those times a little bit, and after 11 c. a lot, the area became turkicified, which I do not need to talk about, u know all of this probably

And that is why, I call myself Turk today, becouse I am an Oguz man, from Karakoyunlu tribe.

that is it.

Many of us are not pure turks, but we're 99% at least, culturally

Originally posted by prsn41ife well, azerbaijan has never existed as an independent state. i dont know where you go those maps from.

Sorry, I missed your question earlier. The maps do not suggest that there was an independent Azerbaijan, merely a province called Azerbaijan that was under the reign of the Arab empire. The ruler of the Azerbaijan province was often incited by the caliphs to attack the Bagratid Armenia.

I wanted to show how the Azerbaijan "emirate" did expand and shrunk in regard to the surrounding areas.


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There were also the Caucasian Albanians, but they didn't have anything to do with the Turkish invadors.

Originally posted by Taleyran01 ok, we do not get each other, cose we do not understand our psychology: Azeri-in reality are the people, who lives in Azerbaijan (both north and south) without depending their nationality, and this is Iranic calling We in north, call ourselves, Azerbaijani, not even Turkish (That does not mean that we're not, we're, both north and south) We call south Azerbaijanians as Iranian Turks. That is what we call or usually what would be understandable in Azerbaijan. Before Turks came here in late 6-7 centuries (dede qorkut), there was not any turk, Albanian, Atropatenians were not neither Turkish nor Iranian, they were native Caucasian. After Turks came here during those times a little bit, and after 11 c. a lot, the area became turkicified, which I do not need to talk about, u know all of this probably And that is why, I call myself Turk today, becouse I am an Oguz man, from Karakoyunlu tribe. that is it. Many of us are not pure turks, but we're 99% at least, culturally

you are not 99% turk. lol.

anyway, what dont you guys understand about ORIGIN????

 

originally, they were iranic or some other ethnicity that is unknown.

Originally posted by Taleyran01 I am not 99% turk by DNA, but i am culturally

Actually for the most part Turks adopted the culture and religion of the local people.

Try language next lets see what happens

 

Originally posted by Taleyran01 I am not 99% turk by DNA, but i am culturally Do u mean Albanians were Iranian?

if there is evidence then maybe, if not then no.

i havent read much on the subject of albanian.

however, like i keep saying, its not sure yet wether the azeri's were originally iranic, before being turkified.