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Topic: Medieval English Kings Posted: 25-Jan-2005 at 07:49 |
Alfred the Great get my vote. Though English wasn't the term I would
use to describe most of them, Alfred fits it perfectly, he was a good
and pious man. Made the English fleet and exhanged ambassadors with
India and maybe even China.
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Posted: 25-Jan-2005 at 07:53 |
I think what's affraiding Quetzacouatl is the term English king. I've
been into several forum were the English often say half of France was
English because English kings owned territories in France. The term
English kings for them is abusive because they were Frenchmen (or rather from varios French provinces) who took over
England but kept their land in France. So the term English kings
isn't appropriate. Though when we talk about the King of France, French
kings is much more relevant. Because the Kingdom of France didn't
falled to any foreign invaders.
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Posted: 25-Jan-2005 at 10:08 |
With the excepton of Alfred (whom you are not debating as being an english king) all the listed held the Title "King of England" thus they are English kings. The poll was not ment to discuss their heritage but there abilities to rule England - Britannia if you prefer.
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Posted: 25-Jan-2005 at 10:53 |
Originally posted by Dawn
With the excepton of Alfred (whom you are not debating as
being an english king) all the listed held the Title "King of
England" thus they are English kings. The poll was not ment to discuss
their heritage but there abilities to rule England - Britannia if
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King of England and English King are two different concept though. This is a question of semantic.
The hability to rule something (to use the expression here) doesn't
mean you are the mentioned thing. Though there is a different thread
over it I bet and that's a slighly different topic.
That you posted King of England in your title instead of English king
it would have been correct. Afterall Victoria was Empress of India, and
Alexander the Great was King of Persia.
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Posted: 25-Jan-2005 at 11:03 |
Please lets noy get into semetics of this, English can be a strange launguage, There is nothing wrong with the grammer of the title and to use the term in the way I did is also not incorrect or many other persons (including many books,web pages and encylopedias) are guilty of the same thing. so perhaps we can leave the wording alone( cause I can't change even if I wanted to) and return to the discusion about kings.
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Posted: 25-Jan-2005 at 11:11 |
Originally posted by Dawn
Please lets noy get into semetics of this, English can be a
strange launguage, There is nothing wrong with the grammer of the title
and to use the term in the way I did is also not incorrect or many
other persons (including many books,web pages and
encylopedias) are guilty of the same thing. so perhaps we can
leave the wording alone( cause I can't change even if I wanted to) and
return to the discusion about kings. |
Well, I don't know if it's just nervosity or simple mistakes. Though I won't hijack this thread so I'm stepping down here.
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Posted: 25-Jan-2005 at 11:15 |
I also agree that this is not very important in the whole of things and also agree to forget it.
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Posted: 05-Feb-2005 at 13:08 |
I do favor Richard I, because he was a famous homosexual warrior. I am Homosexual, but then again William the Conqueror was really cool.
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Posted: 28-Mar-2005 at 09:06 |
Richard?! He was
just plain curel to the Muslims. And if he was such a "Lionheart", than
why did he got captured by the Austrians?
William the Conquered is getting my vote.
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Quotes by your's turly:
"I came, I saw, and I conquered... but only for the weekend"
"This is my tank, this is my weapon, and this is my pride."
"Power comes from a barrel of a gun."
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Posted: 28-Mar-2005 at 09:12 |
Richard the Lionheart was also very cruel toward the Gascons.
That's him who forfeited Normandy and Anjou to the French king at his death in exchange of Philip II help against his father.
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Posted: 05-Apr-2005 at 17:05 |
I would go for Athelstan, without him there would be no England. He reformed the law and for the first time played a major role in European affairs.
Got to say I can't see how Richard I gets into the poll - great warrior, awful king, or William - usurping the throne before starving 100 000 of your new subjects is not what great monarchs are made of
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