Worst ruler of your country?

Heh!  I agree.  Abe Lincoln, for his destruction of the constitution.  He revoked the writ of habeas corpus, even!  I think the South was right, constitutionally, and that he forced the war upon them.

And on Andrew Jackson, too, for the reasons you state and for his handling of the nullification crisis of South Carolina

Then you should all say Peter the Great was a horrible leader for killing so many of his fellow Russians, not to mention killing a lot of Swedes and Turks.

Or Julius Caesar the worst Roman leader for killing so many Gauls.

Or James Polk the worst U.S. President for killing so many Mexicans.

Or Bismarck the worst German chancellor for killing so many French, Austrians, Danes, not to mention his own soldiers in three wars.

Or Frederick the Great the worst Prussian king for killing so many Russians, Austrians, Frenchmen, and his fellow Germans.

Or Shi Huandi the worst Chinese Emperor for killing so many scholars.

Or Napoleon I the worst French leader for killing so many Europeans and Frenchmen.

Or Louis XIV the worst French king for killing so many Dutch, Spaniards, Austrians, and his own soldiers in four wars.

Or Charlemagne the worst Frankish Emperor for killing so many Saxons.

Or Diocletian the Worst Roman emperor for killing Christians.

Or Andrew Jackson the worst U.S. President for killing many Indians.

Or Richelieu the worst French statesman for killing so many nobles and Spaniards and prolonging the Thiry Years War resulting in many more deaths.

Or Philip II the worst king of Spain for killing so many Dutchmen, English sailors, Turks, and his fellow Spaniards.

Or Hannibal the worst Carthaginian leader for killing so many Romans and Italians.

Really, killing people makes one a horrible person, but it does not mean that you're a horrible or worst leader because of it. Just because you're a saint doesn't mean you're a great leader, or the best leader.

"killing people makes one a horrible person"

Not necessarily if it's in a war and must be done, or if you need to kill them to prevent a war.

No I agree killing people isnt all that bad in the right circumstances, hell alot of my heroes are mass murderes, there just needs to be a good reason, and when there isnt one, its an argument that doesnt work very well.

''And I think yours is pretty much on the "official" side, Diplomat. ''

A-haa.thats the tactic critic of those who have a bias towards The Turkish History,when they see a person with high-level information and detailed info about the Turkish history!

Sorry to diopponting you Colchis.Now i am gonna prove my resources while you cant rpove anything once again.
My resources:

*Feroz Ahmad(the indian author)-İttihat ve Terakki

*Cemal Paşa'nın Anılari-Turkiye İs Bankasi Yayinlari

*İbrahim Termo'nun Anilari

*Sina Aksin(neednt to say who he is,should i? )

Colchis wrote:

''I'll only reply to your post very briefly. Before the previous AE went down you had sent me a message on the same topic and I had replied, and rather lengthily at that, so I assume you already know where I stand.''

no i never got a PM from you??

colchis wrote:

''note: this one is quoted on many resources even though I haven't seen the original copy of the LAE myself. However, I'm almost certain that I can access the archives from NYPL. ''

such statement is a product of propaganda without doubt/das ist keine frage/kan'esh'na.Ataturk never made an interview with a person called emile hildebrand.Now i am gonna prove:

The document stating the fact that as simple workers not enough to go out of Zurich,grandfa and father of Emile hildebrand,born in 1941 never set foot on Turkiye in 1926

The document of Switzerland National Library stating the fact no any journalist under the name of Emile hildebrand found.

the article written by James Tashcian and published by the Armenian Weekly in 1982 stating the fact that Ataturk never made such a statement .The author James Tasican,after exposing the armenian propaganda of 1926,was sacked from the Armenian Weekly.

Not suprising isnt it?

Dear colchis,

now will you  still believe that Emile hildebrand,born in 1941,could make an interview with Ataturk in 1926?Now will you still believe that a newspaper is a document of truth history?

The choice depends on you!!!

As for your comments on Enver Pasa:

Do you really think that enver pasa was a moron as a politician to make that statement?ıttihat ve terakki wanted toweaken russia.therefore they felt they had to join the war.after the war,they knew that whole world would not be theirs.but they just hıoed to survive by beating english-french and russian imperialistic alliance

Well many of his policies did good things for Canada well others not so much. IIRC he was resonsible for Bi-Lingual labels which costs this country a fortune every year. Many of his policies that deal with Quebec are good for Quebec but not so good for the rest of us.

I have to say.....George III. YOu know, that whole revolution thing. There is someone who trumps even him though: John Kerry. Althugh I hate to say it, hes probably the next worst ruler.

One a bipolar madman, One an opportunistic gold digger. These guys are in a class all their own.

boody4 i was making a satirical comment on the influence he as on the current Australian government  (nudge nudge wink wink)