The United China

well, taiwan must be with china even if it means , east turkistan, tibet and mongolia are to be gone. taiwan is a chinese province, not a country.

Sino Defender

Have you ever met any Singaporeans? all my 4 tenants are  Chinese-Singaporean,  and trust me, you'd spend alot of time to "re-educate" them, if you are serious about your plan. i wouldnt be willing to help.

Originally posted by Leonidas Ive always liked tawain but ill trade it in for tibet, nei mongol and east turkistan any day

the issue of taiwan is emotionally, culturally, and politically attached with every chinese of chinese blood. it's not like tibet, east turkistan, and mongolia. the province of taiwan is part of the han culture.

taiwan's population is not the majority of the chinese population. i am saying the majority of the chinese population of 1.3 billions.

that's why i've always expected a war between both sides. america also fought a war to gain its independence. if taiwan wanted to be independent, it also would have to fight a war.

that's not realistic.

taiwan has always been part of china under the repubic of china's government that once ruled all china. china is not trying to expand more, but to reunify. it's like the east and west germany issue, but only the mainland is much larger than the province of taiwan.

it is nothing about the economy. mainland china's gdp as a whole is much larger than that of taiwan. a war between mainland china and taiwan will probably result in a loss of gdp much greater than any gains in economic sense that china might need a few decades to recover.

it is about national and cultural unity. the chinese have been fighting for the unification of china for thousands of years.

taiwan is a very core part of the han culture. you might argue about tibet, inner mongolia, and east turkistan where the han culture isn't native. i am not denying anything, and i admit that tibet, inner mongolia, and east turkistan are part of china because of our military might.

but for taiwan, it's part of the han culture that china will risk everything holding on to it.

history has taught us that china can only be strong when it's unified. whenever china was divided, the country sufferred foreign inhuminations. a strong china is not what japan and the us want to see, and they are trying to delay the reunification of china

Though I don't agree with most of Sino Sword's statements, Taiwan issue was far more complicated than what most of westerner thought.

First, reunification of Taiwan was not driven by expansionism nor imperialsim. It had far more nationalistic, ethnic and emotional attachment. Taiwan was ceded because of Sino-Japanese War of 1945, it was first Han-dominated province ever surrenderd to the foreign power under Q'ing. The involment of national pride/shame on this issue was too great, especially most of pro-independists were also pro-Japanese.

The de-sinification movement in Taiwan was more a political movement rather than a genuine culture revolution. Let's put this way, many de-sinification tactics involved in protraying mainlanders or Chinese civilization in general as pure evil. Some of the pro-independist or de-sinification advoctors went as far as denying the existence of Nanking Massacre or refering all Chinese as pigs.

As a "mainlander" growing up in Taipei, I personally experienced the political fanatism going on the island right now. The island is now devided by two camps that swear to destroy each other (though the statement is abit exagerate) -  Conflicts within the political arena and among the general population raised as days gone by. The blinded political, ethnic frenzy was similar to pre-civil war American or even pre-Nazi germany.

The facts is (not exaggerated): if the pro-independent faction dare to declare independence, the pro-unification faction will immediately join with PRC and began a civil war. Both sides were willing to turn gun to their neighbours...

PS: If there are more Han Chinese residents in Tibet than Tibetans, and they want to remain unify with China dispite their Tibetan's will (only assumption)... how do you justify the idependence and what will you do with all the Han Chinese residents?

for dream: yes, the immigration of han chinese into tibet and xinjiang has made it almost impossible for any future independent movements to succeed as the han chinese have become, more or less, the majority of these regions. that's a smart way of keeping this land for china forever.