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    Posted: 18-Feb-2006 at 05:56
Originally posted by Darth Vader (DIEGO)

your right america was never dicsovered, the indians were already here


Wouldn't the native Americans have had to discover it? Afterall the contient seperated from the other continents long before humans even existed.
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guys, when poeple say discovered, they mean by the east... we all know that native americans were already there, so can we stop bringing up this native american stuff and continue with this discussion.

well, there is a movemen now to stop glorifying columbus in the US because he was the factor for the extermination of native americans (he was actually the first to start it).  

guess who has the most statue in the USA... yup its columbus.
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Hi,
Can I propose a topic? A complete chronology of who claim (and why) to
have discovered America first? Here is a first list:
1500: Amerigo Vespucci
1492: Cristofo Colombo
??????: Piri Reis
1480's: the Portugeses
1450's: French fishermen
1421: the Chineses (theory created when China is becoming a
superpower...)
1392: Genoeses
1000: the Vikings
??????: Africans
700: the Irishs
600: the Japoneses
400 BC: the Tyrians
500 BC: the Greeks
3000BC the Egyptians
10.000 BC: the Native Americans
Before? Some theories are mentionning caucasians who were there before
and who had been killed or assimilated by the "natives".
And what about the other sense Americans "discovering" Europe or
Polynesia???
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I definitlely think its the Caucasians, you know..Noah's predcessors
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and now Turks. Is it the Chinese or the Vikings or the Spanish or the Italians or the whatever is next?
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Nov-2006 at 21:19

The ancestors of today's Ameridians discovered the Americas over 12.000 years ago. Amerindians are human beings and they deserve the credit.

Now, for the pseudo-science of pseudo-discoverers of the Americas, the list is long:
 
(1) The atlanteans
(2) The "lost tribe of Israel".
(3) Some Irish monk.
(4) The Chineses
(5) The Japaneses
(6) The Polynesians
(7) The Asian Indians
(8) The Romans
(9) The Egyptians
(10) The Phoenicians
 
Who I am missing? .... Ah, the Africans of course! They arrive to the Americas to teach the Olmecs... Well, the Nation of Islam believe so, therefore must be true... I guess LOL
 
Sorry, fellows, but these silly tales have been going around for too long. The facts are clear.
 
(1) Native Americans discovered the Americas 12.000 years ago at the very least.
 
(2) The Inuits arrived to the Americas a couple of thousands of years ago from Siberia, they populated the artic and then they went into Greenland and probable beyond. So the second place is for Inuits.
 
(3) The Norse made a casual contact with the Americas after they colonized Greenland circa 1000 A.C.. They didn't realize that discovery was important and nobody else knew about it.
 
(4) Columbus, working for the Spanish crown, discovered the Americas for Europe. That means, he was the guy that started globalization. And also he was the guy that started the invasion and destruction of the Americas.
 
Everything else is daydreamming. Pseudo-historical revisionism that does not match the historical, archaeological and genetical knowledge.
 
Columbus, for instance, is considered by many as the more important figure of Western history after Jesus. And no matter how much some people want to downplay him, his figure always reapears. Because he did something unique: he went directly into the unknown, he design a project to reach China going to the West! Something unique in a time sailors usually followed the coastal lines. Following his project he was able to break the chains of the sea - like the prophecy of the New World of Seneca said (Medea, Chorus of the second act).
 
For people that insist in pseudo-science, please take a look at this article. Perhaps you won't insist after reading it.
 
Goodbye Columbus? The Pseudohistory of Who Discovered America
by Ronald Fritze
 
 
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Edited by pinguin - 03-Nov-2006 at 21:21
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Personally I find it somewhat preposterous that there was not some contact between the Polynesians who made it all the way to Easter Island and Southern Americans. I think that an Incans king actually made it to Polynesia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupac_Inca_Yupanqui
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No. They didn't. As I know that? Because the neighbours of the North are Peruvians and Easter Island, who is the closest polynesian Island to the Americas, is Chilean.

There is no evidence of arrival of Polynesians to South America, but only speculations. Is not that it could happened, because the Polynesians were the best sailors worldwide before Columbus, but it is just there is no evidence at all of contact. And Polynesians had good memory, because they recalled the first landing in the Island with lots of detail, more than one thousand years after it happened. But they don't remember to reach the Americas at all! No genetical evidence has been found either.
 
Think about it. Polynesians always carried things like the tree of bread, and pigs! Why there were not pigs in the Americas at the time of contact? Unfortunatelly for hypperdifusionism, there is no evidence of such wonderful contacts at all.
 
Now, there is a legend that Tupac Yupanqui travelled with a fleet of rafts of balsa wood, like the Kon-Tiki of Heyerdhal, to some far away kingdom in the Pacific. Actually, the source is Thor Heyerdhal himself (an hyperdifussionist, anyways). However, there is no evidence of arrival of Peruvians to Easter Island or any other island of the Pacific. But there is archaeological evidency of visits to Galapagoes by the Incas, so perhaps that's the misterious place after all.
 
As far as I know, those "so common" transoceanic contacts, that many people love, belong more to the kingdoms of dreams and legends rather than to reality.
 
By the way, Easter Island is very far away from the Americas, so the crossing is not a piece of cake at all.
 
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Actually, it is better to allow some space to this claim, becuase if we don't, very soon a new theory would come saying that the people who crossed over to America from Eurasia were Proto or Quasi turkic nomads.
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Originally posted by The Hidden Face

This is an anti-Turkish propaganda.  We do know from Piri Reis's memoirs that he had never been to America, and his well-known map is a copy of spanish-Portuguese maps!! 


Why is this anti-Turkish propaganda? Because there is ONE thing in the world Turks might' ve had nothing to do with? Stop flattering yourself by thinking that you're God's gift to the human race. We're all equally strong in Her eyes.
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Anti-Turkish?
 
I am afraid all those funny (but false) claims about pre-columbian contacts are just RACISM against AMERINDIANS.
 
Foreigners see the wonderful architecture and heritage of the Mayans, Aztecs, Moche, Incas, Anazasis and dozens of other civilizations and they think:
 
"Gee! What wonderful cultures. But who made them? Amerindians couldn't make them because they were so primitive and stupid people. If so, someone had to help them"
 
That's is racism of the worst kind. And Amerindians don't deserve that.
 
The world wouldn't be what is today without theirs contributions (potato, tomatos, corn, agave, rubber, sirynges, tobacco, quinina, snow rackets, parkas, and thousands more). Remember that the next time you drink a Vodka or eat Asian Indian food, because they are made with American and not European or Asian plants!
 
 It is time the world start to recognize the achievements of the American Indians. Of all the people of the world, the Amerindian heritage is the most ignored.
 
Hyperdifussionism IS RACISM!
 
 
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No moderator has any problem with this stuff?  Plenty of members have been banned or warned for a lot less.
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Muslims discovered america!!!!

What is next?Muslims reached the moon first or Jesus Christ was a turk.
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Muslims didn't but Turks do have a point, their ancestors did migrate across the Berring Strait's so in some distant, distant, distant way their paps did discover America Tongue That is ofcourse unless the Polynesian sailers got there first.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Nov-2006 at 11:06

Good point!

The people that discovered and populated the ancient Americans were of the Mongolian-Siberian stock. Therefore, they have some relation with peoples of Central Asia, including the ancestors of ancient Turks.
 
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True,ancestors of Turks found it first,todays's native americans.We call them Melungeons.
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Melungeons arrived much later.
 
We were referring to the initial population of the America's.
 
Pinguin didn't Polynesian sailers also sail to the America's from the South Pacific islands?
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Originally posted by Turk Nomad

True,ancestors of Turks found it first,todays's native americans.We call them Melungeons.

That is to say, Native Americans and Turks are kind of cousins, right?
Also, who were those "ancestors of Turks"? Were they proto-Turks, pre-Turks, Turks or what?


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stupid topic.
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That is to say, Native Americans and Turks are kind of cousins, right?

 
You could say distant cousins, a more correct term would be having the same ancestors.
 
Now obviously as humans we all if we go back far enough have the same ancestors.
 
What I mean by ancestory in this context is at a later date when a very early form of Turkic/Altaic culture had been developed.
 
Its clear that there was a migration across the Berring straits, there are also linguistic, religous and cultural connections especially between Tengrist Turkic populations and Native American.
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