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    Posted: 13-Dec-2006 at 20:05
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Look! They're red! Greeks were actually Native Americans!
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explorer6, I posted those Sertima book covers only as a friendly jab at Omar (Pinguin) who's also my friend on PM. Wink
 
Anybody watch the Sertima lecture I posted? Smile  Had it playing while doing some stuff; interesting to get his full story.
 
Most of what he says makes some sense, but it's all focused around very circumstantial evidence.
 


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Look! They're red! Greeks were actually Native Americans!
 
LOL LOL LOL
 
Another example - the Greek woman's skin is white but the Greek men's skin all black, therefore these men where black! LOL
 
 
Sertima needs more conclusive evidence. 


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Look! They're red! Greeks were actually Native Americans!
 
Great!!!
 
I knew there was something more in common between Greeks and Mayans, besides intelligence. LOLLOL
 
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Excellent.  Do watch this video (do not be afraid). 

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Hilarious when he mentions how a leading "expert" explained the full lips and broad nose of the Olmec heads as caused by the artisans having very blunt tools that could not fashion thinner features. bwahahaha

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Hilarious when he mentions how a leading "expert" explained the full lips and broad nose of the Olmec heads as caused by the artisans having very blunt tools that could not fashion thinner features. bwahahaha
 
Look. All moais have thin lips, long faces and pointing noses. Apllying Van Sertima's "scientific reasoning" Wink, that prove Polynesians where all British fellows LOLLOLLOL
 
 
Do this experiment: buy a large granite rock in a garage sale and try to make a statue with very sharp facial features, just using hand tools. Just try it.  Perhaps you'll get convinced of many things. For example, than in granite people try as much as possible to save work, and flat noses and lips result Wink
 
Please, forget about Van Sertima and study the issues seriously. Well, in case you want to be taken seriously, of course.
 
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Do this experiment: buy a large granite rock in a garage sale and try to make a statue with very sharp facial features, just using hand tools. Just try it.


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Why do you say Europeans first made claims.....you bring the Greeks down with you. We never claimed anything we just left our culture behind in Mesoamerica.
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Originally posted by ephestion

Why do you say Europeans first made claims.....you bring the Greeks down with you. We never claimed anything we just left our culture behind in Mesoamerica.
 
Who is "we"?
 
If "Europeans", I'll tell you they were very coward to attempt to cross the Atlantic, although they could manage it.
 
If "West Africans", then is pathetic. West Africans of the time didn't have writing, didn't know the wheel, didn't know how to make textiles, didn't produce massive stone structures, etc. But even worst, they didn't know the sail. The most advanced ships they had were river canoes. So, common, be serious.
 
So I will say loud and clear one more time:
 
NATIVE AMERICANS DIDN'T NEED TEACHERS.
 
Do you get it? Don't you? Well, I repeat it once again?
 
NATIVE AMERICANS DIDN'T NEED TEACHERS
 
If you still don't get it, please repeat the above phrase one thousand time more.
 
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Originally posted by pinguin

So I will say loud and clear one more time:
NATIVE AMERICANS DIDN'T NEED TEACHERS.
Do you get it? Don't you? Well, I repeat it once again?
NATIVE AMERICANS DIDN'T NEED TEACHERS
 
Omar, I know what you mean, but just to pester you, this is from another thread:
 
Originally posted by pinguin

To advance more, though, they (native Americans) need to develop abstract mathematics, axiomatic geometry, algebra, precision astronomy, alchemy, mechanical machinery, iron metalurgy and ship building. Topics that were underdeveloped at those times in the Americas. The Ancient Americas were about 2.000 years behind Eurasia in technology, that's for sure. Spaniards, after all, brough a real technological revolution to the Americas with the comming of the horse, cows (milk, chesses), wheet, rice, paper, alphabet writing, iron and the technologies of theirs times.
 
Looks like they needed some 'teaching' LOL Wink Smile 


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Originally posted by pinguin

To advance more, though, they (native Americans) need to develop abstract mathematics, axiomatic geometry, algebra, precision astronomy, alchemy, mechanical machinery, iron metalurgy and ship building. Topics that were underdeveloped at those times in the Americas. The Ancient Americas were about 2.000 years behind Eurasia in technology, that's for sure. Spaniards, after all, brough a real technological revolution to the Americas with the comming of the horse, cows (milk, chesses), wheet, rice, paper, alphabet writing, iron and the technologies of theirs times.
 
Looks like they needed some 'teaching'
 
Not really. Look at the others:
 
Greeks just copied Egyptians and Babilonians
Roman copied Greeks
Indians copied Greeks
Chineses copied Indians and Arabs
Westerners copied Arabs and Chineses
Subsaharians copied Afroasiatic peoples.
 
What a bunch of copiers LOLLOLLOL
 
Native Americans developed all what they had by THEMSELVES. And if you add all what they did is pretty much, though.
 
For instance, they developed hydraulic toys before Heron of Alexandria!!!
 
Yes, they didn't have machinery, the alphabet or iron, but developed by themselves paper, the zero and rubber balls. And they selected half the food the world consumes today!
 
When the unwelcomed teacher finally arrived (the Spaniards), Natives could put most of theirs history on writing (except from classical Mayans who wrote it themselves), and got all the tech they need it. However, they lost the most important thing the Americas had: Its Originality.
 
It was not until the U.S. took power than the Americas before first rate once again. And now is final, it will be forever. Poor old world LOLLOLLOL
 
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Originally posted by pinguin

To advance more, though, they (native Americans) need to develop abstract mathematics, axiomatic geometry, algebra, precision astronomy, alchemy, mechanical machinery, iron metalurgy and ship building. Topics that were underdeveloped at those times in the Americas. The Ancient Americas were about 2.000 years behind Eurasia in technology, that's for sure. Spaniards, after all, brough a real technological revolution to the Americas with the comming of the horse, cows (milk, chesses), wheet, rice, paper, alphabet writing, iron and the technologies of theirs times.
 
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Dear friend, what is the contradiction? What make you laugh?

Yes, in the old world was PRETTY EASY to develop advance civilizations COPYING from the neighbours. In the New World everything was done from scrath.
 
Greek originality? Ha Ha LOLBig smile
 
Let's continue:
 
Gaul, Norse and Celtic brutes advanced because of the Romans!
Japaneses because of Chineses
Russians because Byzantines
 
etc.
 
The only isolated territories in the world were the Americas, Australia and SOME parts of Subsaharan Africa and the Americas did pretty well and a lot better than those.
 
Think about it, what could have been Greece without Babilonian astronomy, Egyptian science and the Hebrew Alphabet? Do you want an answer? Wink
 
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I said nothing about what you're writing so much about.  I mentioned only this:
 
Originally posted by pinguin

To advance more, though, they (native Americans) need to develop abstract mathematics, axiomatic geometry, algebra, precision astronomy, alchemy, mechanical machinery, iron metalurgy and ship building. Topics that were underdeveloped at those times in the Americas. The Ancient Americas were about 2.000 years behind Eurasia in technology, that's for sure. Spaniards, after all, brough a real technological revolution to the Americas with the comming of the horse, cows (milk, chesses), wheet, rice, paper, alphabet writing, iron and the technologies of theirs times.
 
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Originally posted by pinguin

Look. All moais have thin lips, long faces and pointing noses. Apllying Van Sertima's "scientific reasoning" Wink, that prove Polynesians where all British fellows LOLLOLLOL


LOL! That one is hilarious.
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Dear friend, what is the contradiction? What make you laugh?
Yes, in the old world was PRETTY EASY to develop advance civilizations COPYING from the neighbours. In the New World everything was done from scrath.
 
Greek originality? Ha Ha LOLBig smile
 
Let's continue:
 
Gaul, Norse and Celtic brutes advanced because of the Romans!
Japaneses because of Chineses
Russians because Byzantines
 
etc.
 
The only isolated territories in the world were the Americas, Australia and SOME parts of Subsaharan Africa and the Americas did pretty well and a lot better than those.
 
Think about it, what could have been Greece without Babilonian astronomy, Egyptian science and the Hebrew Alphabet? Do you want an answer? Wink
 
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That's not entirely fair. You lump all native americans together but divide old world civilizations in separate cultures. If you say Greeks learned from Romans and Japanese from Chinese, you should also say that Aztecs learned from Toltecs, and Mayas from Olmecs.


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