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    Posted: 24-Mar-2006 at 12:26
Originally posted by prsn41ife

well then i have seen those holocaust cartoons printed in any european newspaper...

where is the democracy???

Where did you see that? And I don't understand your question.

persecution against people who have their own views on the holocaust.

A few countries have laws against just that, Denmark not being one of them. Very few countries in Europe have that law.

so suddenly now because those cartoons are offensive to you they shouldnt be published?

No I didn't; I said they have no reason to publish them. They are of course allowed to be published.

[quot]so cartoons depicting mohammad as a terrorist, a pedophile, etc....

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No picture showed Mohammed as a pedophile in JP. One of the pictures produced by one of those imams show him a pedophile though (and I've yet to see any reaction against them...).  Reread this post:

Originally posted by edgewaters

The Holocaust is a different thing than Mohammed. If the Danish paper had publishing cartoons gleefully mocking the suffering of Iraqis under the occupation, perhaps Holocaust cartoons might be sort of equivalent. In this case, it doesn't really make sense.

The cartoons, if you have seen them, were not really all that terrible - they were typical satire. There was no controversy for quite some time, among Danish Muslims or anywhere else, after they were published. A group of Danish imams decided there wasn't enough controversy and decided to go travel in the Middle East, and "spice up" the issue by adding a series of fake cartoons that had never been published, including what was supposed to be a caricature of Mohammed as a pig-man but was actually a deliberately blurred photograph retrieved from Google Images, of a French contestant in a pig squeeling contest. The outrage is entirely manufactured.

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 are supposed to show how violent muslims in europe are?

"hey guys, i have an idea, you know those crazy terrorist muslims running around, yea, lets show them how crazy they are by drawing pictures of their prophet as a terrorist, and a scum bag. that should teach them not be violent anymore.........."

"or it will just make them more angry you du*ba$$! " 

 thats what someone should have told those cartoonists.

You still miss the point. They weren't intended to make anyone less violent. For the reason, reread the post you quoted.

ok well, you say that the muslim cartoons were necessary for democracy in europe, well i think that these holocaust cartoons are necessary for democracy in europe.

Why? 

now the USA is a different story, the US has full freedom of speech! anyone can say anything without any fear! and even the US press knew not to publish the cartoons. europe has learned a valuable lesson, dont criticise others when you still have a long way to go.

So in your opinon, when American papers choose not to publish a few cartoons they do because of good judgement, but when European papers do the same, they are suddenly "limiting free speech".

There are lot of talk about respecting believes, that you shouldn't publish offensive stuff [about islam], not even to demonstrate important issues. But when the offensive pics are about Judaism it's completely ok, no, even excellent. The word 'hypocrite' has been used a lot in this thread, so I won't bother repeating it.

 

 

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  Quote Iranian41ife Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Mar-2006 at 11:46
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all of a sudden you guys arent talking about freedom of speech anymore are you?

Of bloody course we are.

well then i have seen those holocaust cartoons printed in any european newspaper...

where is the democracy???

Originally posted by Styrbiorn

the same continent that persecutes people for their beliefs (europe) is talking about persecution.

Please elaborate, exactly how does Europe execute religious persecutions?

persecution against people who have their own views on the holocaust.

Originally posted by Styrbiorn

this was a great strategic move, especially after the paper in denmark refused to show the cartoons saying they were too offensive! what morons.

What is offensive for you is not offensive for me - a moron is what takes not to understand that. To me, the Muhamed cartoons didn't seem very offensive, slightly lame at most. Europe is extremely sensitive towards anti-Semitism though, for obvious reasons.

so suddenly now because those cartoons are offensive to you they shouldnt be published?

wow the hypocrisy is coming out....

Originally posted by Styrbiorn

Originally posted by prsn41ife

you guys dont understand do you?

the jew issue is very sensitive in europe, just like the mohammad issue is sensitive in the islamic world.

lets see how "democratic" europe is... i bet they wont publish these cartoons in the name of democracy.

europe disgusts me. im so happy i live in the USA.

if you cant take it, then dont dish it out, europe needs to take that advice.

You're the one who doesn't understand. Europe doesn't have any extremist Jews who start threatening and even murdering people who criticize Judaism. Europe does have fanatic Muslims who start threatening and even murdering people who criticize Islam. That EVERYTHING is allowed to be criticized is a fundamental cornerstone in democracy. The publications were a domestic issue to try/show how much the threats and murders from and by religious fanatics had frightened people to exercize their rights.

so cartoons depicting mohammad as a terrorist, a pedophile, etc.... are supposed to show how violent muslims in europe are?

"hey guys, i have an idea, you know those crazy terrorist muslims running around, yea, lets show them how crazy they are by drawing pictures of their prophet as a terrorist, and a scum bag. that should teach them not be violent anymore.........."

"or it will just make them more angry you du*ba$$! " 

 thats what someone should have told those cartoonists.

Originally posted by Styrbiorn

That Iranian newspapers reply I just find silly, it only goes to show that either they 1) have no idea whatsoever what is was all about, 2) they did know but decided to seize the opportunity to once again make a hit on a certain group that had absolutely nothing to do with the issue in the first place.

ok well, you say that the muslim cartoons were necessary for democracy in europe, well i think that these holocaust cartoons are necessary for democracy in europe.

the iranian newspaper said at the begining that because holocaust denial is against the law in many european countries, that this competition was to test europes limits of freedom of speech. and it worked! the iranian newspaper prooved that while europe is talking about freedom of speech and persecution, they themselves persecute and limit freedom of speech.

this one iranian newspaper basically prooved to the world the hypocrisy of europe.

 

now the USA is a different story, the US has full freedom of speech! anyone can say anything without any fear! and even the US press knew not to publish the cartoons. europe has learned a valuable lesson, dont criticise others when you still have a long way to go.

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all of a sudden you guys arent talking about freedom of speech anymore are you?

Of bloody course we are.

the same continent that persecutes people for their beliefs (europe) is talking about persecution.

Please elaborate, exactly how does Europe execute religious persecutions?

this was a great strategic move, especially after the paper in denmark refused to show the cartoons saying they were too offensive! what morons.

What is offensive for you is not offensive for me - a moron is what takes not to understand that. To me, the Muhamed cartoons didn't seem very offensive, slightly lame at most. Europe is extremely sensitive towards anti-Semitism though, for obvious reasons.

Originally posted by prsn41ife

you guys dont understand do you?

the jew issue is very sensitive in europe, just like the mohammad issue is sensitive in the islamic world.

lets see how "democratic" europe is... i bet they wont publish these cartoons in the name of democracy.

europe disgusts me. im so happy i live in the USA.

if you cant take it, then dont dish it out, europe needs to take that advice.

You're the one who doesn't understand. Europe doesn't have any extremist Jews who start threatening and even murdering people who criticize Judaism. Europe does have fanatic Muslims who start threatening and even murdering people who criticize Islam. That EVERYTHING is allowed to be criticized is a fundamental cornerstone in democracy. The publications were a domestic issue to try/show how much the threats and murders from and by religious fanatics had frightened people to exercize their rights.

In the beginning of this row I thought the publications were unnecessary, but after seing the reaction in the real world and from some people here I'm beginning to think it was not only a good thing to publish them, but also necessary in the sense that it started a discussion and shed light on the problem. That Iranian newspapers reply I just find silly, it only goes to show that either they 1) have no idea whatsoever what is was all about, 2) they did know but decided to seize the opportunity to once again make a hit on a certain group that had absolutely nothing to do with the issue in the first place.

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I think if was Hamshahri, search for its website on google... I feel so lazy today sorry!
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  Quote Halevi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Mar-2006 at 17:32
Anyone know which Iranian paper they were published in, and/or if theyre viewable on the net?
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  Quote Ponce de Leon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Mar-2006 at 12:12
when this guy talks about freedom of speech he reminds me of Stephen Colbert for some reason lol, it just sounds so silly and wrong lol
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  Quote Iranian41ife Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Mar-2006 at 11:29

exactly freedom of speech, maybe europe can learn a lesson or two out of this situation as well as the islamic world.

and so why are you in here arguing about this if you believe they have the right to publish it?

Originally posted by Loknar

Of course the Jewish issue if very sensitive in LACE u1t="on">LACE wt="on">EuropeLACE>LACE>. And if they want to publish it then it is their right and I would have no objection (though I would fine the cartoon distasteful). I dont see what Jews have to do with it though. The cartoon was not even a cartoon and was pretty distasteful.  As if Jews would be so much better under Iranian rule. As if Cyrus was still around. I have a message for you...get over Cyrus. The man has been dead for thousands of years and under his rule Jews went persecuted. are you saying Jews would be better off under Cyrus than say Hitler? Well NO sh*t. But guess what? Hes dead. This is 2006. Get over Cyrus. I should hold a contest based on Pauls ideaCyrus was a homosexual cartoon. So I dont get the point of the edited photograph of people who likely died in those damn damps.>>

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But wait! I thought the holocaust didnt happen? Well t="on">LACE wt="on">IranLACE> says it didnt anyway

 I dont see what Jews and Cyrus have to do with anything in Denmark.

hitler is dead too, but thats not stopping the nazi's is it?

cyrus is dead, but thats not stopping the iranians who believe in his freedom either.

this was a great political move by the iranian islamist press in my opinion. they totally debased western values, and probably proved to the islamic world that the west is anti-islam.

this was a great strategic move, especially after the paper in denmark refused to show the cartoons saying they were too offensive! what morons.

im not muslim, but this whole situation is so funny to me, europe just got b**ch slapped.



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  Quote Loknar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Mar-2006 at 11:27
Originally posted by prsn41ife

there are muslims in denmark too, good way to tread their fellow country men right?

 



You are exactly right. I never said that is was right to do. I only say it is freedom of press and they can piss off and insult who ever they want.
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there are muslims in denmark too, good way to tread their fellow country men right?

 

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  Quote Loknar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Mar-2006 at 11:23
Originally posted by prsn41ife

hmm... its really funny,

all of a sudden you guys arent talking about freedom of speech anymore are you?

what happened to freedom of speech guys, or is it only freedom of speech when its not against the western point of view?

the same continent that persecutes people for their beliefs (europe) is talking about persecution.

wow, anyway, i thought i might add that iran has the largest jewish community in any muslim nation.



Actually, I say if the publish it then it's their right. But I still find it distasteful, just as I found the Mohammed cartoons distasteful.

And yes I am aware that there are Jews in Iran...good way to treat your fellow countrymen.
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  Quote Iranian41ife Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Mar-2006 at 11:21

hmm... its really funny,

all of a sudden you guys arent talking about freedom of speech anymore are you?

what happened to freedom of speech guys, or is it only freedom of speech when its not against the western point of view?

the same continent that persecutes people for their beliefs (europe) is talking about persecution.

wow, anyway, i thought i might add that iran has the largest jewish community in any muslim nation.

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  Quote edgewaters Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Mar-2006 at 11:09
Originally posted by prsn41ife

you guys dont understand do you?


the jew issue is very sensitive in europe, just like the mohammad issue is sensitive in the islamic world.


lets see how "democratic" europe is... i bet they wont publish these cartoons in the name of democracy.


europe disgusts me. im so happy i live in the USA.


if you cant take it, then dont dish it out, europe needs to take that advice.



The Holocaust is a different thing than Mohammed. If the Danish paper had publishing cartoons gleefully mocking the suffering of Iraqis under the occupation, perhaps Holocaust cartoons might be sort of equivalent. In this case, it doesn't really make sense.

The cartoons, if you have seen them, were not really all that terrible - they were typical satire. There was no controversy for quite some time, among Danish Muslims or anywhere else, after they were published. A group of Danish imams decided there wasn't enough controversy and decided to go travel in the Middle East, and "spice up" the issue by adding a series of fake cartoons that had never been published, including what was supposed to be a caricature of Mohammed as a pig-man but was actually a deliberately blurred photograph retrieved from Google Images, of a French contestant in a pig squeeling contest. The outrage is entirely manufactured.

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Of course the Jewish issue if very sensitive in Europe. And if they want to publish it then it is their right and I would have no objection (though I would fine the cartoon distasteful). I dont see what Jews have to do with it though. The cartoon was not even a cartoon and was pretty distasteful.  As if Jews would be so much better under Iranian rule. As if Cyrus was still around. I have a message for you...get over Cyrus. The man has been dead for thousands of years and under his rule Jews went persecuted. are you saying Jews would be better off under Cyrus than say Hitler? Well NO sh*t. But guess what? Hes dead. This is 2006. Get over Cyrus. I should hold a contest based on Pauls ideaCyrus was a homosexual cartoon. So I dont get the point of the edited photograph of people who likely died in those damn damps.

 

But wait! I thought the holocaust didnt happen? Well Iran says it didnt anyway

 I dont see what Jews and Cyrus have to do with anything in Denmark.



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you guys dont understand do you?

the jew issue is very sensitive in europe, just like the mohammad issue is sensitive in the islamic world.

lets see how "democratic" europe is... i bet they wont publish these cartoons in the name of democracy.

europe disgusts me. im so happy i live in the USA.

if you cant take it, then dont dish it out, europe needs to take that advice.

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  Quote Loknar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Mar-2006 at 02:35
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Iran daily holds contest for Holocaust cartoons

 

The people of Denmark are not Jewish.

OK: Next time Mongolia has a diplomatic dispute with Peru. Obviously Peru should respond by publishing some Cyrus the Great was a homosexual cartoons...... That'll really teach those Mongolians, right!

 

Paul, I know you and I often disagree...but damn, this is one of your best posts! Very good point.



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  Quote ramin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Mar-2006 at 02:03
Paul, nobody here supported publishing cartoons by the Iranian newspaper. I don't see how your example is relevant to the topic.
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  Quote Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Mar-2006 at 01:46

Iran daily holds contest for Holocaust cartoons

 

The people of Denmark are not Jewish.

OK: Next time Mongolia has a diplomatic dispute with Peru. Obviously Peru should respond by publishing some Cyrus the Great was a homosexual cartoons...... That'll really teach those Mongolians, right!



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why danish newspaper didnt press Holocaust cartoon?
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