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    Posted: 09-Feb-2006 at 01:11

Everyone has been discussing the greatest U.S. Presidents, but how about the greatest British leaders?  They have a longer list to choos from, so it will be interesting to hear everyone's opinions.

I pick:

5.)Margret Thatcher 

4.)William the Conquerer

3.)Winston Churchill

2.)King Arthur

1.)Queen Elizabeth I
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technically Elizabeth and William weren't British and Arthur never existed.

but in the same vein, I'd go for,

1. Clement Atlee - Disbanded the Empire, freed India, Nationalised major private companies, created the welfare state.

2. Harold Wilson - Kept Britain out of the Vietnam War and joined the EU.

3. Oliver Cromwell - Freed the country from despotism.

4. Duke of Wellington - Passed the Catholic Emancipation Act

5. Caractacus - never said die



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arthur did exist.  there are several historical facts that prove his existance, and 99% of all midevil historians have proven that. 
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Elizabeth and William ruled Britain, so that is good enough for me to make them great british rulers
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Ignoring the British/English problem I'll plump for five Englishmen:

1. W.G. Grace

2. Len Hutton

3: Lionel Tennyson

4: Douglas Jardine

5: Ray Illingworth
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How can you guys forget about the top British leader BENJAMIN DISRAELI?
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Originally posted by bradcorazon

arthur did exist.  there are several historical facts that prove his existance, and 99% of all midevil historians have proven that. 

Elizabeth and William ruled Britain, so that is good enough for me to make them great british rulers

Elizabeth never ruled Scotland amd William barely ruled England let alone Scotland and Wales.

99% of historians most definately haven't proved Arthur's existence. Their is no evidence and the few writings about him come centuries after the time he was supposed to have lived, when already in folk law. The only chronicaller of the corect time period, Gildas, doesn't even mention him.



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I guess we'll agree to disagree.  I will FOREVER believe in Arthur because of the MULTIPLE things I have read on the man's existance. 
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Hmmm, let's go with some different ones:

5: Lord Elgin (The 7th)

4: Lord Elgin (The 8th)

3: Admiral Sir Michael Seymour

2: Winston Churchill

1: Richard I

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1. Churchill

2. Thatcher

3. Cromwell

4. Pitt the Elder

5. Elizabeth I
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1. Alfred the Great

2. Edward I Longshanks

3. Elizabeth I

4. Winston Churchill

5. Cromwell

Yes, I know they are not all rulers of the whole of Britain.
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Chronological order:  based on longevity and accomplishments

1. Robert Walpole

2. William Pitt the elder

3. William Gladstone

4. Winston Churchill

5. Margaret Thatcher

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How is everyone missing the Emperess of India?

1) Queen Victoria
2) Bobby Moore
3) Emperor Trajan
4) Elizabeth I
5) Nasser Hussain, - who understood englands true position and made sure they stayed there.

Originally posted by glce2003


Ignoring the British/English problem I'll plump for five Englishmen:

1. W.G. Grace

2. Len Hutton

3: Lionel Tennyson

4: Douglas Jardine

5: Ray Illingworth


What no Vaughan?





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How is everyone missing the Emperess of India?

1) Queen Victoria
2) Bobby Moore
3) Emperor Trajan
4) Elizabeth I
5) Nasser Hussain, - who understood englands true position and made sure they stayed there.

Originally posted by glce2003


Ignoring the British/English problem I'll plump for five Englishmen:

1. W.G. Grace

2. Len Hutton

3: Lionel Tennyson

4: Douglas Jardine

5: Ray Illingworth


What no Vaughan?


Time will have to tell....
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Originally posted by gcle2003

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim

How is everyone missing the Emperess of India?

1) Queen Victoria
2) Bobby Moore
3) Emperor Trajan
4) Elizabeth I
5) Nasser Hussain, - who understood englands true position and made sure they stayed there.

Originally posted by glce2003


Ignoring the British/English problem I'll plump for five Englishmen:

1. W.G. Grace

2. Len Hutton

3: Lionel Tennyson

4: Douglas Jardine

5: Ray Illingworth


What no Vaughan?


Time will have to tell....


Modern England is really just an extension of Australian imperialism anyway. Vaughan played for aussie clubs and most of your coaches are australians
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5. Lord Palmerston
4. Benjamin Disraeli
3. Oliver Cromwell
2. Elizabeth I
1. Winston Churchill

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1. Oliver Cromwell
2. Benjamin Disraeli
3. Alfred the Great
4. Wayne Rooney(he will be good leader)
5 David Beckham(captain of England's squad)


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2. William Pitt the elder

I admire Pitt so much, what a great grand strategist.
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Originally posted by pikeshot1600

2. William Pitt the elder

I admire Pitt so much, what a great grand strategist.

I agree

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My Top Five:

1. William Gladstone

2. Clement Altee

3. Oliver Cromwell

4. William Pitt, the Older

5. William Pitt, the Younger

My least favorite Briton: Winston Churchill
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