Han VS Rome

Rome in the end would win this one Rome is is known well for adapting to it's enemies for example the Punic wars- the first Punic war adapting to Naval warfare and Hannibal using his own tactics against him at Zama. Rome's army isn't as large as China's because I know for a fact that during Qin's reign he could produce an army of 600,000 plus The Romans largest in one battle is 85,000 at Cannae. But i've realised that the Chinese army has depended heavily on numbers and their armies made up of conscription soldiers only up to one year so you could wonder why they had alot of crossbow men. Rome re inforced their armies in times of war with legions they trained their soldiers fairly long before they saw the battlefield also allies who had to contribute to helping Rome numbered in the hundreds of thousands. Though Romes numbers aren't as great Rome has come against big numbers like In Gaul Julius Caesar fought an army over 200,000 plus Gallic men with only 30 to 35,000 men and again against Boudicca with only 10 to 15,000 men deafeated an army of a 100,000 men.

Rome has a better army over all better battle tactics, formations, training, understanding of a new enemy. The costs to wage a war is expensive to both sides that is why Rome has legions but China in the other hand has one big war machine Hundreds of thousands of men in one army. So lets say they invade and are unsuccessful to raise another army could take a while especially if the loss of troops are very bad Rome has the advantage with legions by having seperate armies allows them to join forces with other legions if they are unsuccesful they can be supported by another legion who will aid the other also another army in the tens of thousands can be formed elewhere and make their way there. In times of war legions were larger than the original 5,000 menas  attatchments of it's allies would extend the numbers in one army when joining other legions China will recruit another army For example battle of cannae Rome only had 8 legions but had another 45,000 as it's allies which accounted for more than half the army. Rome at the end of the day have a muh stronger army Rome relies heavily on it's discipline and proffesionalism of the army China relies too much on numbers.

Looks like me not find worthy opponent, yet.

Rome and without a doubt.

You'll be missed 

Originally posted by Count Belisarius ... I guess that's it

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Originally posted by bowenmin I forgot to mention somethin.   see the way in the movies how they reload muskets in different rowes, while the front fow shoots?   that's how they do it. one of the crossbow units' pirioties is to prevent the enemy unit from closing in by firing continous shots at them.   The crossbow units, if left unsupported by other melee or seige weaponary, are vulnerable to close combat, which they are freaking weak at.   Therefore, if the Legion manages to get close enough to wreak havoc, the Crossbowmen, who are more likely inexperienced conscripts, are screwed.   Even with the bayonet on, they'd be waving sticks with knives on them against the Romans. hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa (evil laughter) This is one good way to beat the Han. I think I would go with the Romans from here on.

I forgot to mention somethin.

Originally posted by Count Belisarius Originally posted by bowenmin Originally posted by Count Belisarius The cataphractii and/or clibanarii both used composite horsebows that were incredibly powerful and the cataphracts worked very well infantry, and they were used as deep strike troops. On the history channel they made a seg that was the proper guage and thickness and they fired a scorpion bolt at it several times and the bolt bounced off and as you yourself said they could also deflect stone... Uh-oh there went the han crossbow advantage. How exactly would a crossbow be more powerful than a ballista?        By the way. If the REAL roman scorpion failed to pierce the Segmenata, then the scorpion would be freakin weak. NO OFFENSE. I watched the video once. I felt insulted, as it's an insult to the technology level of the Roman Scorpio (my favourite Roman Seige instrument!) The comparism was highly rigged. the bolts aren't even steel tipped. if I remember it right, it was just purely wood. I'd be damed if it left even a mark. I do admire the Roman army, and yet I refused to adknowlege the docco, as some facts are exegerrated, and some comparisms are highly rigged. (lol, firing wooden bolts in the middle of battle.)       I went for the Han crossbow over the Roman scorpio not because it was something like the biggest on the battlefield capable of firing the strongest bolts from a handheld weapon. But the fact that it could fire from something like a gunline. torrent after torrent.     Pointed steel at high velocity in torrents with gunline formations VERSUS Blunt stone fired with seige engines with far slower firing rates.   STEEL VS STONE?! you decide.   It's been very nice debating with You, by the way. THANK YOU FOR REPLYING TO MY POSTS!         You must be thinking of a different test and the scorpion was the right power with the right head against a properly made seg.   The romans did not use wooden heads   How exactly would something as powerful a han crossbow manage to fire at that rate of speed the romans also had missle troops. The Arcuballista, the cheiroballista, and the manuballista, scorpio, archers, slingers, javelineers (The pilum is supposed to bend when it hits something) stone firing ballista, Onagers.      Also The romans didn't just use stone ammo. They also had a ballista that works somewhat like a gatling gun     So sixty ballistae along with all the other missle support I mentioned. They also used sniper/sharpshooter units. They had an orgnaized intelligence agency. The han crossbows can get through segs. Their cavalry...    I think the han lose

Originally posted by Count Belisarius Originally posted by bowenmin Originally posted by Count Belisarius The cataphractii and/or clibanarii both used composite horsebows that were incredibly powerful and the cataphracts worked very well infantry, and they were used as deep strike troops. On the history channel they made a seg that was the proper guage and thickness and they fired a scorpion bolt at it several times and the bolt bounced off and as you yourself said they could also deflect stone... Uh-oh there went the han crossbow advantage. How exactly would a crossbow be more powerful than a ballista?    By the way. If the REAL roman scorpion failed to pierce the Segmenata, then the scorpion would be freakin weak. NO OFFENSE. I watched the video once. I felt insulted, as it's an insult to the technology level of the Roman Scorpio (my favourite Roman Seige instrument!) The comparism was highly rigged. the bolts aren't even steel tipped. if I remember it right, it was just purely wood. I'd be damed if it left even a mark. I do admire the Roman army, and yet I refused to adknowlege the docco, as some facts are exegerrated, and some comparisms are highly rigged. (lol, firing wooden bolts in the middle of battle.) I went for the Han crossbow over the Roman scorpio not because it was something like the biggest on the battlefield capable of firing the strongest bolts from a handheld weapon. But the fact that it could fire from something like a gunline. torrent after torrent. Pointed steel at high velocity in torrents with gunline formations VERSUS Blunt stone fired with seige engines with far slower firing rates. STEEL VS STONE?! you decide. It's been very nice debating with You, by the way. THANK YOU FOR REPLYING TO MY POSTS! You must be thinking of a different test and the scorpion was the right power with the right head against a properly made seg. The romans did not use wooden heads How exactly would something as powerful a han crossbow manage to fire at that rate of speed the romans also had missle troops. The Arcuballista, the cheiroballista, and the manuballista, scorpio, archers, slingers, javelineers (The pilum is supposed to bend when it hits something) stone firing ballista, Onagers. Also The romans didn't just use stone ammo. They also had a ballista that works somewhat like a gatling gun So sixty ballistae along with all the other missle support I mentioned. They also used sniper/sharpshooter units. They had an orgnaized intelligence agency. The han crossbows can get through segs. Their cavalry... I think the han lose

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