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    Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 12:00

This is good.  This is exactly what Moslems need to make the impression in Europe:

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/02/gaza.cartoon/

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 12:38

This is exactly what Moslems need to make the impression in Europe:

Infact  muslim impression at EU is already bad.(as you can see at that cartoons.

But It looks like this things  harmed west image at muslim worlds.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 12:52
Originally posted by Mortaza

This is exactly what Moslems need to make the impression in Europe:

Infact  muslim impression at EU is already bad.(as you can see at that cartoons.

But It looks like this things  harmed west image at muslim worlds.

 




Maybe... but we don't need an image in Muslim World other than: let us do our way in our land.

Who need an image in Muslim world are politicians and businessmen. Not the common European.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 13:04

Maybe... but we don't need an image in Muslim World other than: let us do our way in our land.

is this real? what do you mean with our land? I always think, when Europeans mention our land, It is Europea, not middle east, not africa.

Who need an image in Muslim world are politicians and businessmen. Not the common European.

why do you think, it is different for muslims? I dont think any muslim at  arabia, cry because he  have bad image at Europea.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 14:16
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This is interesting.

Translation:

*Cross* This is anti-Semitic.
*Cross* This is racist.
*Proud* And this is freedom of expression! (Pointing at offensive cartoons)
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Translation: *Cross* This is anti-Semitic. *Cross* This is racist. *Proud* And this is freedom of expression! (Pointing at offensive cartoons)

That's exactly! Antisemitism killed milions of jews. Rasisms killed many, many balck people, and opressed hundreds of milions. Secular modern freedom of expression, specially when is humorous about a religion that killed milion of people and today still kill, and discriminate, and incite to intolerance, and opress women and minorities, NEVER killed no one.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 16:01
Over a f**king cartoon? I'm surprised no one has been impaled over Family Guy or the Boondocks yet.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 16:44

The whole cartoon issue is starting to take on a life of its own.  This touches on obviously unbridgeable cultural gaps that are not discussed because doing so is most unfashionable.  Very un-PC.

It is difficult for Westerners to understand such outrage at cartoons that are normal amusement in the press.  Pressure by governments or by the Vatican to suppress this is a non-starter.  That is a fact in the West.  It is not going to happen and many in the Middle East don't understand that.

There is of course much more to all this, but there may also be more to the thesis of Samuel Huntington than I had thought before.  I was never a proponent of the "Clash" theory, but what has happened here recently (and over the past year) seems to indicate that there is more to it.

Others' thoughts?

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 16:57

Originally posted by pikeshot1600

The whole cartoon issue is starting to take on a life of its own.  This touches on obviously unbridgeable cultural gaps that are not discussed because doing so is most unfashionable.  Very un-PC. It is difficult for Westerners to understand such outrage at cartoons that are normal amusement in the press.  Pressure by governments or by the Vatican to suppress this is a non-starter.  That is a fact in the West.  It is not going to happen and many in the Middle East don't understand that. There is of course much more to all this, but there may also be more to the thesis of Samuel Huntington than I had thought before.  I was never a proponent of the "Clash" theory, but what has happened here recently (and over the past year) seems to indicate that there is more to it. Others' thoughts?

As long we don't know for sure why it is exactly and only in the west that appeared this spirit of objectivity, tolerance and scientific thought, we have to accept that we can't be sure that in 100, 200 or 500 yrs. the muslim societies will abandon this middle-aged vision of things. What concerns the actual situation, you said all one need to know . . .



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 17:04

The Muslim world has felt it was under seige for a long time:

- Political instability and civil war in the Middle East.

- War in Afghanastan(1979-1989)

- Genocide in the former Yugoslavia and a weapons blockade that clearly favored serbian forces as they had access to the old Yugoslavia's heavy weapons. 

- The Gulf War(1990-1991). It doesn't matter how justified we see it as being in the west, to many Muslims it must have seemed like a slaughter of fellow Muslims. The events that followed the war, both the pogrom carried out by Saddam both in the north and south of Iraq and the economic sanctions that caused so much suffering in that country also caused more outrage in the region.

- The Iraq War now. There is no question that the current war in Iraq has raised tensions worldwide.

It's possible that many Muslims look at the messages coming out of the West, including this cartoon, as an indication of our intentions for their culture.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 17:07
Or we just listen to Boz and wonder how many Westerners people like him actually represent.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 17:08
Originally posted by pikeshot1600

 I was never a proponent of the "Clash" theory, but what has happened here recently (and over the past year) seems to indicate that there is more to it.

Others' thoughts?

There is an intermittent conflict between the West and Islam since the 8th century. This is just the most recent.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 17:10

Originally posted by DukeC

- The Gulf War(1990-1991). It doesn't matter how justified we see it as being in the west, to many Muslims it must have seemed like a slaughter of fellow Muslims. The events that followed the war, both the pogrom carried out by Saddam both in the north and south of Iraq and the economic sanctions that caused so much suffering in that country also caused more outrage in the region.

Oh, poor Muslims, and what about the Gulf War of 1980-1988? It was a slaughter of what? Oh yeah sure, as long as Muslims kill themselves or others there is no problem.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 17:12

Originally posted by Mila

Or we just listen to Boz and wonder how many Westerners people like him actually represent.

You seems to fail to the most elementary logic, sister: a stance, is valuable not for the sheer number of people that sustain it, but by the value per se, the force of arguments it has. What grade you said you are now?

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...?

I assure you I'm past whatever grade level one must be in to find such childish insults as you've posted a symbol of intellectual superiority.
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Originally posted by Mila

...?

I assure you I'm past whatever grade level one must be in to find such childish insults as you've posted a symbol of intellectual superiority.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 17:48

As long we don't know for sure why it is exactly and only in the west that appeared this spirit of objectivity, tolerance and scientific thought, we have to accept that we can't be sure that in 100, 200 or 500 yrs. the muslim societies will abandon this middle-aged vision of things. What concerns the actual situation, you said all one need to know . . .

It's funny how the Romanians think they are Western. Everytime they told me 'We Latins are passionate people, you know, Romanian, Italian, Spanish, we are all the same', I had to bite my lip to stop laughing in their faces.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 17:52
Originally posted by Voyager

Originally posted by DukeC

- The Gulf War(1990-1991). It doesn't matter how justified we see it as being in the west, to many Muslims it must have seemed like a slaughter of fellow Muslims. The events that followed the war, both the pogrom carried out by Saddam both in the north and south of Iraq and the economic sanctions that caused so much suffering in that country also caused more outrage in the region.

Oh, poor Muslims, and what about the Gulf War of 1980-1988? It was a slaughter of what? Oh yeah sure, as long as Muslims kill themselves or others there is no problem.

They're not poor Muslims. Where would western culture be without Islam, probably still stuck back in the middle ages.

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