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    Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 00:15

Muhammad cartoon row intensifies
French daily newspaper France Soir
Some of the cartoons depict the Prophet Muhammad as a terrorist
Newspapers across Europe have reprinted caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad to show support for a Danish paper whose cartoons have sparked Muslim outrage.

Seven publications in France, Germany, the Netherlands, Italy and Spain all carried some of the drawings.

Their publication in Denmark led Arab nations to protest. Islamic tradition bans depictions of the Prophet.

The owner of one of the papers to reprint - France Soir - has now sacked its managing editor over the matter.

The cartoons have sparked diplomatic sanctions and death threats in some Arab nations, while media watchdogs have defended publication of the images in the name of press freedom.

Reporters Without Borders said the reaction in the Arab world "betrays a lack of understanding" of press freedom as "an essential accomplishment of democracy."

'Spiting Muslims'

France Soir and Germany's Die Welt were among the leading papers to reprint the cartoons, which first appeared in Denmark last September.

The caricatures include drawings of Muhammad wearing a headdress shaped like a bomb, while another shows him saying that paradise was running short of virgins for suicide bombers.

France Soir originally said it had published the images in full to show "religious dogma" had no place in a secular society.

CARTOON ROW
Palestinians burn a Danish flag
30 Sept: Danish paper Jyllands-Posten publishes cartoons
20 Oct: Muslim ambassadors in Denmark complain to Danish PM
10 Jan: Norwegian publication reprints cartoons
26 Jan: Saudi Arabia recalls its ambassador
30 Jan: Gunmen raid EU's Gaza office
31 Jan: Danish paper apologises
1 Feb: Papers in France, Germany, Italy and Spain reprint cartoons

But late on Wednesday its owner, Raymond Lakah, said he had removed managing editor Jacques Lefranc "as a powerful sign of respect for the intimate beliefs and convictions of every individual".

Mr Lakah said: "We express our regrets to the Muslim community and all people who were shocked by the publication."

The president of the French Council of the Muslim Faith (CFCM), Dalil Boubakeur, had described France Soir's publication as an act of "real provocation towards the millions of Muslims living in France".

Other papers stood by their publication. In Berlin, Die Welt argued there was a right to blaspheme in the West, and asked whether Islam was capable of coping with satire.

"The protests from Muslims would be taken more seriously if they were less hypocritical," it wrote in an editorial.

La Stampa in Italy, El Periodico in Spain and Dutch paper Volkskrant also carried some of the drawings.

European Muslims spoke out against the pictures.

In Germany, the vice-chairman of the central council of Muslims said Muslims would be deeply offended.

"It was done not to defend freedom of the press, but to spite the Muslims," Mohammad Aman Hobohm said.

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Correspondents say the European papers' actions have widened a dispute which has grown very serious for Denmark.

ART AND BLASPHEMY CHARGES
Burning copy of Satanic Verses
1989: Iranian spiritual leader Ayatollah Khomeini calls on Muslims to kill British author Salman Rushdie for alleged blasphemy in his book The Satanic Verses
2002: Nigerian journalist Isioma Daniel's article about Prophet and Miss World contestants sparks deadly riots
2004: Dutch film maker Theo van Gogh killed after release of his documentary about violence against Muslim women
2005: London's Tate Britain museum cancels plans to display sculpture by John Latham for fear of offending Muslims after July bombings

The publication last September in Jyllands-Posten has provoked diplomatic sanctions and threats from Islamic militants across the Muslim world.

Foreign Minister Per Stig Moeller has postponed a trip to Africa because of the dispute.

Thousands of Palestinians protested against Denmark this week, and Arab ministers called on it to punish Jyllands-Posten.

Syria and Saudi Arabia have recalled their ambassadors to Denmark, while Libya said it was closing its embassy in Copenhagen and Iraq summoned the Danish envoy to condemn the cartoons.

The Danish-Swedish dairy giant Arla Foods says its sales in the Middle East have plummeted to zero as a result of the row, which sparked a boycott of Danish products across the region.

The offices of Jyllands-Posten had to be evacuated on Tuesday because of a bomb threat.

The paper had apologised a day earlier for causing offence to Muslims, although it maintained it was legal under Danish law to print them.

Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen welcomed the paper's apology, but defended the freedom of the press.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4670370.stm




Yes, we have the right to caricature God, says France Soir, while a cartoon Jesus tells a grim Muhammed: "Don't get upset, Muhammed, we all have been caricatured here".

The question is that Muhammed and Allah, along with other religious figures have always been caricaturized in our culture:


A classical comic version of the Bible, where you see God dictating the 10 commandments to a frantic Moses on top of mount Sinai.


God in the beach, controlling the Sun at will.

And there's a lot harder stuff. Get used.

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  Quote Illuminati Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 00:21
Interesting that the Ameican media hasn't gotten involved yet. 
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  Quote SearchAndDestroy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 01:36

Seems like if they don't like something, kill it. And burn all there flags. Where do they get all these flags, do they have flag burning warehouses? I mean they seem to find 100s of flags everytime someone from a country insults them.

Anyways, I don't get why the other newspapers supported them, are they trying to bring about more riots across Europe?

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  Quote Maju Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 01:37
The coward publishers of France Soir have deposed the editor! 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4672642.stm

Reporters Without Borders said the reaction in the Arab world "betrays a lack of understanding" of press freedom as "an essential accomplishment of democracy."



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Seems like if they don't like something, kill it. And burn all there flags. Where do they get all these flags, do they have flag burning warehouses? I mean they seem to find 100s of flags everytime someone from a country insults them.

Anyways, I don't get why the other newspapers supported them, are they trying to bring about more riots across Europe?



Who cares about riots?! Rememeber that the riotters were not Islamists just people of Muslim background (and not all). Don't mix things, please.

If someone makes a riot for this, things are likely to get very bad... we don't like to be inquisitioned, you know.

What I don't understand is how come not more newspapers nor politicians are not supporting this and how come the editor of France Soir has been sacked. There is cowardice among some Europeans... most probably Christian fundis that have in other occasions repressed freedom of speech as well - or tried.

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  Quote Mira Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 01:43
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Reporters Without Borders said the reaction in the Arab world "betrays a lack of understanding" of press freedom as "an essential accomplishment of democracy."


Talk about democracy, freedom and the jailing of Judith Miller.  Not to mention the deliberate targetting of reporters in Iraq by US forces.

Sorry, we don't buy your PR line.
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  Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 02:00

Originally posted by Maju

The coward publishers of France Soir have deposed the editor! 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4672642.stm

Reporters Without Borders said the reaction in the Arab world "betrays a lack of understanding" of press freedom as "an essential accomplishment of democracy."


that was a respected move from the owner of that newspaper,

France Soir owner Raymond Lakah said in a statement to AFP he "decided to remove Jacques Lefranc as managing director of the publication as a powerful sign of respect for the intimate beliefs and convictions of every individual".

"We express our regrets to the Muslim community and all people who were shocked by the publication."

 

 

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You have no right to tell us what we can publish. I think that's the point. I fid outraged that people even dare to make noise about all that. It's ridiculous.

I'm about stopping buying in shops owned by Muslims, even if those owned by Hiduists or whatever are farther away or don't open in Sunday. I'm truly outraged that countries that are unable to allow freedom fo speech and even freedom of worship in their own territory are promoting repression of that freedom of speech outside their territory.

At least Iran has shut up their mouth this time. It's all a Saudi conspiration - that's pretty clear. Give Iraq back to Saddam!

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  Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 02:45

it goes for you too, you have no right to tell us to shut up and not to protests for things we feel offended by .

also read the news its not only the Saudis, also the "free" iraqis were protesting too.

A Danish flag with a black footprint painted on it

Protesters have taken to the streets in many Arab countries to vent their fury at the publication by a Danish newspaper of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad.

Kuwaitis protest outside the Danish embassy in Gaza on 28 January

Danish embassies have been besieged - as happened here in Kuwait

In the Iraqi capital, Baghdad, Shia clerics burned the Danish flag.

In the Iraqi capital, Baghdad, Shia clerics burned the Danish flag

Two Yemeni women hold placards calling for a boycott of Danish goods

These Yemeni women held placards urging a boycott of Danish goods amid a growing backlash against the country

An employee removes Danish goods from the shelves of an Egyptian supermarket

Some Danish companies have been hard-hit by the boycott. Here an Egyptian employee removes Danish products from supermarket shelves

Arab League Secretary General Amr Moussa surrounded by journalists

Ministers from 17 Arab countries urged Denmark to punish the newspaper. Arab League head Amr Moussa, who attended the Arab ministers' meeting, criticised the European press

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I find shameful that they dare to tell us what to write or to draw.

It's just unbearable.

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  Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 03:36

oh maju  they dared as that new paper dared as simple as that.

anyway more updates

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Prime minister meets the world's press

Denmark's prime minister made two speeches at his weekly press conference yesterday - one in Danish to the nation, one to the world

Perhaps inspired by an incident on Monday in which an al-Jazeera interpreter didn't react quickly enough to translate Jyllands-Posten cultural editor Flemming Rose's apology to the Muslim world, Denmark's prime minister, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, had two versions of his weekly address with him at his weekly press conference on Tuesday.

The first was an appeal to all groups in the Danish nation not to 'undertake any actions that would contribute further to the creation of a division and, in the worst case, could lead to hate between groups' in the on-going dispute between Muslim countries and Denmark over daily newspaper Jyllands-Posten's publication of 12 Mohammed caricatures.

The second speech, in English, was aimed at those beyond Danish borders - and the representatives from foreign media who had made the normally well-attended press conference a standing room only event.

Rasmussen began by repeating the previous day's apology by Jyllands-Posten for offending Muslims for printing the caricatures last September. He then emphasised that, although he has stayed out of the matter, his silence should not have been taken as a sign of acceptance for hateful actions.

'I want to emphasise that the Danish government condemns any expression, action or indication that attempts to demonise groups of people on the basis of their religion or ethnic background. It is the sort of thing that does not belong in a society that is based on respect for the individual human being,' Rasmussen said.

Asked why he was now giving his personal opinion four months after the matter began, the prime minister said that with the past week's diplomatic actions against Denmark and the Mid-East consumer boycott against Danish products, the issue was no longer a simple free speech issue.

'The debate has changed direction. It has been a question of free speech. Now it has become a matter of an enormous number of Muslims who feel that their religion has been offended,' Rasmussen said.

The Copenhagen Post

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Glad to see the PM starting to understand whats happening.

 

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I find shameful that they dare to tell us what to write or to draw.

It's just unbearable.


The owner was Egyptian, he may do what he likes with his paper.
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Originally posted by Maju

I find shameful that they dare to tell us what to write or to draw.

It's just unbearable.


The owner was Egyptian, he may do what he likes with his paper.


Sure. I'm taking measures not to buy products of Muslim ownership anymore. I'm not going to be tolerant and integrative anymore. I'm very upset at Islam for this intolerance.

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You said " You are going to tame the Muslims", and now it seems you have been tamed.

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screw europe. it is the most uncultured continent on earth.



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Seems like if they don't like something, kill it. And burn all there flags. Where do they get all these flags, do they have flag burning warehouses? I mean they seem to find 100s of flags everytime someone from a country insults them.

Anyways, I don't get why the other newspapers supported them, are they trying to bring about more riots across Europe?

how about having some cruise missile fired at you people??? ya thats the western way, that means it is the better way. muslims should westernize and follow suit, bomb your enemies with cruise missiles. just like how americans do.



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  Quote Heraclius Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 05:37
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screw europe. it is the most uncultured continent on earth.

 Thats easily the most sweeping, idiotic statement I have ever seen on this forum which is an achievement in itself.

 Well done.

 Anyway, the images of flag burnings are as predictable as they are tedious, I don't even know why anybody is bothered anymore, it shouldnt even make news, these people demonstrate and moan everytime anything is said against Islam.

 A free press, should be allowed to make cartoons, write articles, report on whatever it wants whenever it wants (thankfully it is except in certain circumstances) whether some Muslims like it or not. I dare say the press has made worse and more offensive reports and stataments in the past.



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screw europe. it is the most uncultured continent on earth.



Yes, they don't treat women like second rate citizens. They don't oppress anyone who is seen as going against Islam. How "uncultured" of them


One things for sure, The flag making industry is going to make millions. If Muslims think they are making their point, and no one is going to criticize Islam in this way anymore, then they are sorely mistaken. Muslims have every right to protest if they feel it's necessary, but they had better get uesd to protesting everyday.

I should go buy stock in Dr. Scholls, I'd make a fortune.




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Sure. I'm taking measures not to buy products of Muslim ownership anymore. I'm not going to be tolerant and integrative anymore. I'm very upset at Islam for this intolerance.

So  you think  you were tolerant?

Errrr let me remember,

We will tame Muslims, muslims should accept your rules or  should left Europea, sorry but this is nazis tolerance.

When will you cut  your  hair?

 

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Originally posted by Mortaza

Sure. I'm taking measures not to buy products of Muslim ownership anymore. I'm not going to be tolerant and integrative anymore. I'm very upset at Islam for this intolerance.

So  you think  you were tolerant?

Errrr let me remember,

We will tame Muslims, muslims should accept your rules or  should left Europea, sorry but this is nazis tolerance.

When will you cut  your  hair?

 



Muslims SHOULD accept Europen rules if tehy are going to live in Europe. Muslims do have the right to protest if they want, and boycott if they want. That's the difference between The West and the muslim world. We allow dissenting views and dissenting actions. You don't. IF you don't like Islam and you live in the Muslim world, you'd better keep your mouth shut if you don't want to end up dead or in jail. If you don't like Europe and you live in Europe...then by all means, feel free to tell us how much you hate Europe. As long as you aren't violent, you won't end up in jail.

See the difference here? You claim that our freedoms should not allow the drawing of these cartoons becuase they are disgusting in your eyes. Your leaders are calling for our laws to be changed. We however aren't telling you that you shouldn't ahve the freedom to hold a "death to America" march. We aren't telling you that you shouldn't have the freedom to boycott.




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