Can armenians reclaim eastern anatolia??

I can't understand some turks ( very few actually) who apologised for armenians victims??????((((((((

It was a war and not only armenians were killed or died. There were hundread of thousands turks, kurds,russians, greeks,azeries,georgians and others....

Why armnenians victims should have any special treatment??????

It was a war and that's it. There were war victims. Millions of victims of different nationalities.

If someone wants to apologise, so it should be for everyone and not only armenians. They don't have any special rights.

Be aware: accepting "genoside" it means, that next morning Armenia will claim "their" land in Turkey and relatives of war victims will claim billion and billion of dollars from Turkey + properties, land,churchs and everything.

Why Turkey should accept somthing which was never happened?????..Why Turkey should destroy herself????..What's the point???

It is paranoya within armenian diaspora about "genoside" and revanj over Turkey.

it is shame on some turks who apologised for something which never happened, only because they want's receive some moral grants from europeans and get into eu.

Let me tell you, dear Qajar. We are debating on a history forum. This isn't a place for justifying the past wrong deeds of our governments.

Armenians wanted to be independent from the Ottoman Empire and they fought for it. It was the natural right of the Ottoman Empire to defend itself (just like every state). The Young Turk government should have punished only the betrayer bandits but it punished innocent Armenians as well. It also brought catastrophy to Turks by entering the WWI. The deeds of Young Turk government are unacceptable. I'm sorry for those who were victimized by those false policies. They destructed the Empire and victimized both muslim and non-muslim citizens. Being personally sorry for all harmed innocent peoples isn't a shame and I don't give a f**k to those "moral grants" by the Europeans.

However, at the political level, the claims of Armenians on Eastern Anatolia are unacceptable and cause war, as I stated above. In fact the unleashed nationalisms make peoples kill each other. I support friendly settlement of  such international problems through collaboration. On the other hand, Armenians should stop dreaming about taking Turkish lands and collaborate for settling the abnormal relations between themselves, Turks and Azeris. They should give up building their national identity and hatred over victim psychology and work for the well-being of poor Armenians in Armenia. On the other hand, if they want to get Eastern Anatolia they have to fight and everybody here admits that they will face a new destruction if they prefer this way.

In the end, those missionaries and diplomats - simple figures - couldn't do anything for the Armenians. They went after their own interests.

I don't think there's anything fascist about having a common goal. What is so fascist about pushing for the acnowledgement of the Armenian genocide and making Turkey suffer the consequences?

Sorry my friend, but I can say this also for turks or greeks too.

But well, after all I am turk, so I prefer not to say this for turks.

By the way, dont take it personal. Infact I like much AE forumer armenians.

Fear "tiny Armenia"?!? You're something, you know? If the political winds blow the right way much will happen. A "Tiny Armenia" is a giant compared to the non-existing "Israel" which mushroomed after over 2000 years of absense on the world map. So I wouldn�t say that nothing is impossible.

The fact remains that Armenians not being the main population (or at least represented on those lands in case of a "self determination" process) on the Armenian lands in eastern Turkey is the direct result of the ethnic cleansing of the genocide during WWI. Just because political gains have ignored the annually claims of the Armenian nation year after year in 90 years it doesn't make it "history" or "absolete". It is still a very political matter, the very reason why Turkey refuses to normalize it's relations with Armenia. It is on the agenda of Turkey's EU negotiations and an obstacle for her membership if Turkey does enter the union with closed borders with Armenia. It's a highly politically active topic, not just historical.

Armenians would have very much liked to been given the opportunity to vote for which nation they would prefer belonging to. But Turkish government saw to that it wouldn't be possible now, wouldn't it?

Who has ever said anything about going at war with Turkey over the Armenian lands?! We are talking about making claims on legal grounds resteing on the basis of the committed genocide and ethnic cleansing. This is the 21st century. There are other ways then flexing your muscles...

Dragging in Azerbaijan into this is another lame excuse put forward by Turkey. Azerbaijan is a sovereign country, not the prot�g� of Turkey (even though the idea is not far from the truth). Turkey has much graver problems of its own than looking after its baby Azerbaijan. EU can not force Turkey to recognise Cyprus or normalising its relations with Armenia. But they are far from naive for introducing yet another problem of the sort they got on their hands when they let in Cyprus before it was united and starting negotiating with a Turkey which does not recognise one of the members of the union.

Karabakh was never a part of independent Azerbaijan. Even before that it was only the "Autonomous Republic of Karabakh" under the jurisdiction of Azerbaijani SSR. Not a district nor a province, but an autonomous republic fully authorised to make its own decisions. And Karabakh did that in 1988, when they voted to separation from Azerbaijan and joining Armenia.