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    Posted: 01-Feb-2006 at 14:35

A picture of John Walker Lindh? Im offended as an American. I demand you remove it immediately

 

Sounds ridiculous doesnt it?  So does the Islamic worlds continued crying over some dumb comics.

Im starting to believe that Islamic (specifically mid-eastern) culture isnt compatible with the west.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Feb-2006 at 14:39

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4670370.stm

Commics being reprinted in newspapers all over Europe.

 

I;m glad there is support the the Danes on this.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Feb-2006 at 14:40

Originally posted by Loknar

Im starting to believe that Islamic (specifically mid-eastern) culture isnt compatible with the west.

that's mot a problem, in my opinion. But it's a problem that islam, and islamic culture, isn't compatible with the democracy and individual freedoms, i.e. universal values.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Feb-2006 at 14:42

Ministers from 17 Arab countries urged Denmark to punish the newspaper. Arab League head Amr Moussa, who attended the Arab ministers' meeting, criticised the European press

page 7 of "In pictures: cartoon outrage

I suppose these arab countries have no idea what freedom of press means...because they them selves dont allow it.

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searching news, I found an explanation to, or, in my opinion, the source of this kind of muslim intransigence: their education in religious/culture_centres schools:

Police Raid Islamic School in Frankfurt

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1264562,00.html

Police and officials from Frankfurt's office of municipal authority raided a Moroccan school for Koran studies near the city's downtown train station in search of extremist propaganda used for inciting children to hatred. According to the state prosecutor's office on Monday, the officials were looking for material such as videos, DVD's and publications which showed violent and degrading images. Authorities for the city launched the investigation after receiving a complaint from a female student at the school, who claimed children were being exposed to video material which offended human rights. One of the videos mentioned allegedly showed a decapitation, another featured violence against women. Authorities had also registered complaints of female pupils being slapped as punishment at the school and treated in a degrading manner. A spokeswoman for the prosecutor's office in Frankfurt told German public television that there were "indications that the school was calling for a holy war against non-believers and that violent images were used to illustrate the war."

http://www.oeko-net.de/kommune/kommune7-97/ZZMARTIN.html

For people that understand german, this link is too very interesting as social study.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Feb-2006 at 14:50

In America Muslims for the most part are middle class, integrated into our society. I think in Europe over the next 20 years you will have allot of problems with your Islamic communities...especially if they are showing decapitation videos to kids,.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Feb-2006 at 14:54

Originally posted by Loknar

In America Muslims for the most part are middle class, integrated into our society. I think in Europe over the next 20 years you will have allot of problems with your Islamic communities...especially if they are showing decapitation videos to kids,.

this kind of selfassureance is not good; in fact, is bad. No one knows which one will have more trouble. No more than 2 months before, the french said what you are saying today.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Feb-2006 at 14:54
Originally posted by Boztorgay

Originally posted by Loknar

Im starting to believe that Islamic (specifically mid-eastern) culture isnt compatible with the west.

that's mot a problem, in my opinion. But it's a problem that islam, and islamic culture, isn't compatible with the democracy and individual freedoms, i.e. universal values.

Couldnt have said it better myself.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Feb-2006 at 14:55
Originally posted by Boztorgay

searching news, I found an explanation to, or, in my opinion, the source of this kind of muslim intransigence: their education in religious/culture_centres schools:

Police Raid Islamic School in Frankfurt

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1264562,00.html

Police and officials from Frankfurt's office of municipal authority raided a Moroccan school for Koran studies near the city's downtown train station in search of extremist propaganda used for inciting children to hatred. According to the state prosecutor's office on Monday, the officials were looking for material such as videos, DVD's and publications which showed violent and degrading images. Authorities for the city launched the investigation after receiving a complaint from a female student at the school, who claimed children were being exposed to video material which offended human rights. One of the videos mentioned allegedly showed a decapitation, another featured violence against women. Authorities had also registered complaints of female pupils being slapped as punishment at the school and treated in a degrading manner. A spokeswoman for the prosecutor's office in Frankfurt told German public television that there were "indications that the school was calling for a holy war against non-believers and that violent images were used to illustrate the war."

http://www.oeko-net.de/kommune/kommune7-97/ZZMARTIN.html

For people that understand german, this link is too very interesting as social study.

Use the statutes and close them down.  If the perpetrators are citizens, prosecute them.  If they are not, deport them.  Let them spew hate where they came from.

 

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Islamic Scholar Warns U.S. of 'Two-Faced' Muslims

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/6/19/144341.sh tml

"The dialogue is not proceeding well because of the two-facedness of most Muslim interlocutors on the one hand and the gullibility of well-meaning Western idealists on the other," Bassam Tibi said Tuesday in an interview with United Press International.

Syrian-born Tibi, who claims to be a direct descendant of the prophet Mohammed and teaches political science at Goettingen University in Germany, appealed for intellectual honesty in these exchanges.

This Is 'Peace'?

"First, both sides should acknowledge candidly that although they might use identical terms these mean different things to each of them. The word 'peace,' for example, implies to a Muslim the extension of the Dar al-Islam or 'House of Islam' to the entire world," explained Tibi, who is also a research scholar at Harvard University.

"This is completely different from the Enlightenment concept of eternal peace that dominates Western thought, a concept developed by Immanuel Kant," an 18th-century philosopher.

This Is 'Tolerance'?

"Similarly, when Muslims and the Western heirs of the Enlightenment speak of tolerance they have different things in mind. In Islamic terminology, this term implies abiding non-Islamic monotheists, such as Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians, as second-class believers. They are 'dhimmi,' a protected but politically immature minority."

According to Tibi, the quest of converting the entire world to Islam is an immutable fixture of the Muslim worldview. Only if this task is accomplished, if the world has become a "Dar al-Islam," will it also be a "Dar a-Salam," or a house of peace.

Tibi appealed to his co-religionists to "revise their understanding of peace and tolerance by accepting pluralism." Furthermore, he said, Muslim leaders should give up the notion of Jihad in the sense of conquest, as opposed to Jihad as an internal struggle of the individual.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Feb-2006 at 15:00
Hehehe - cute.

You know they proposed a constitution for Iraq
based entirely on the Koran that goes above and
beyond the Universal Declaration of Human Rights
as well as most Western democracies
constitutions?

Every single article in it was backed up with several
verses from the Koran. I wish I had a link, but it's
faded away.

Islamic culture is very compatible with democracy
and so-called universal values (If Islamic culture
wasn't, you couldn't call them universal values -
hello?).

It's funny to hear these views coming from a country
which is breaking just about every "universal value"
there is to ensure its own security.

So, in response - I say American culture is not
compatible with universal values. Unilateralism in
itself is enough to suggest that.
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Islamic culture is very compatible with democracy
and so-called universal values (If Islamic culture
wasn't, you couldn't call them universal values -
hello?).

universal values are personal values, not civiliazational, religious or any group values.

keep trying . . .

As for the compatibility, I'm sure you will test that home, when the western soldiers go home.

 

So, in response - I say American culture is not compatible with universal values. Unilateralism in itself is enough to suggest that.

you're not even able to understand exactly what value mean  . . .

You know they proposed a constitution for Iraq based entirely on the Koran that goes above and beyond the Universal Declaration of Human Rights as well as most Western democracies
constitutions?

Well, let's test it, let's read it ! have the courage?



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You're right, Boz. I can hardly wait for one of the main
targets of Islamic extremism to leave my country so
that... then we can rise up... and attack? Well...

Oops. Waited too long I guess.
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Damn,this topic is still open?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Feb-2006 at 15:08

Originally posted by Mila

You're right, Boz. I can hardly wait for one of the main
targets of Islamic extremism to leave my country so
that... then we can rise up... and attack? Well...

Oops. Waited too long I guess.

attack what?  peculiary jokes?  btw, there isn't european there too?



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Exactly.

Re-read it until you get it, you probably will eventually.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Feb-2006 at 15:09

Originally posted by Mila

Hehehe - cute.

You know they proposed a constitution for Iraq
based entirely on the Koran that goes above and
beyond the Universal Declaration of Human Rights
as well as most Western democracies
constitutions?

Every single article in it was backed up with several
verses from the Koran. I wish I had a link, but it's
faded away.

Islamic culture is very compatible with democracy
and so-called universal values (If Islamic culture
wasn't, you couldn't call them universal values -
hello?).

It's funny to hear these views coming from a country
which is breaking just about every "universal value"
there is to ensure its own security.

So, in response - I say American culture is not
compatible with universal values. Unilateralism in
itself is enough to suggest that.

I agree that America can hold a certain degree of hypocracy, but come on. Lets be practical. You cant tell me Islamic countries are more compatible with international values than America 

I know of people who have lived in Islamic countries that couldnt voice their doubts that clashed with the Koran and Islam, ya very cosmopolitan



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Feb-2006 at 15:13

oh how hard is it to stay on topic?

i guess nobody has anything to add here,

iam sure anyone wants to know or have any comments to add will find similar posts in here with the comments on that. just go back and read.

any other topics somebody wish to continue , they are more than wellcome to do so in a seperate thread.

topic closed.

 

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