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Topic: Turks in Bulgaria (Flame-War Warning) Posted: 04-Jun-2006 at 13:05 |
Originally posted by ManOwaRadO
Slavs are over 300 000 000!
Russia - 145-100 Million Slavs-110 million
Rest are Chechens,Kazakhs,Tatars,Bashirks,Ingusg,Laz,Dagestani,Abkhazian,Azeris,Cuvash..etcf
Ukraine - 54(Under 48 million last census)
Poland - 39
Belarus - 10(under 10 mil
Cheh - 10 Serbia - 10 not in good days.7.5 million out of whome some half million arent Slavs HUngarians,Romanians,Albanians..etc
Kosovo is 2 mill around 95% Albanian
Bulgaria - 7 6.5 million Bulgars,rest Turks,Pomaks,
Slovakia - 5
Croatia - 4
Bosna - 4- i dont feel like Slav, and im from Bosnia
Slovenia - 2
Macedonia - 2/ 700 000 Albanians or one third of population, not Slavs
The people of this countries are not each slavs, but in the rest of the world there is other milions of slavs |
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violentjack
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Posted: 04-Jun-2006 at 13:06 |
Not even 200 million Slavs, maybe just over that mark.
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Posted: 04-Jun-2006 at 13:26 |
and in greece most of gypsies speaking turkish?
Wrong.
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Posted: 04-Jun-2006 at 13:51 |
Originally posted by Draco Valerious
and in greece most of gypsies speaking turkish?
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are u sure? in selanik ,i talked turkish to gypsies
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Posted: 04-Jun-2006 at 13:58 |
Originally posted by bleda
Originally posted by Draco Valerious
and in greece most of gypsies speaking turkish?
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are u sure? in selanik ,i talked turkish to gypsies
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Actually many of the Mikroasian Greeks also speak Turkish. I talked to such a Greek in Turkish in Solun (Thessaloniki/Selanik/Salonique). You can hear some more Mikroasian Greeks tell their stories in Turkish here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/turkish/iki_kere_yabanci/iki_kere_yabanci_1.ramIt is really funny for me because the way Greeks speak Turkish is very similar to our Turkish dialect.
Edited by bg_turk - 04-Jun-2006 at 13:59
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Posted: 04-Jun-2006 at 14:00 |
The thing is that the Roma people may have been influenced by many languages,especially in the Balkans,due to their nomadic nature.On the other hand,the gypsies in in the area of Thrace speak Turkish and maybe some in the area of Macedonia,but in the rest of Hellas no.Their language has many foreign elements.
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Posted: 04-Jun-2006 at 14:02 |
Actually many of the Mikroasian Greeks also speak Turkish.
Maybe back in 1920's,but not now.There are some speaking them ,but quite old.
Edited by Draco Valerious - 04-Jun-2006 at 14:05
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Posted: 04-Jun-2006 at 14:03 |
Originally posted by bleda
digenis do u know 2500 turk livings in rhodos and in greece most of gypsies speaking turkish? |
any sources plz?
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Posted: 04-Jun-2006 at 14:06 |
i hear in south america,armenians speaking turkish
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Posted: 04-Jun-2006 at 14:08 |
Originally posted by Draco Valerious
Actually many of the Mikroasian Greeks also speak Turkish.
Maybe back in 1920's,but not now.There will be some speaking them ,but quite old. |
Considering that they came in 1923 in Greece ,and they were raised in Asia Minor (at least 8-10 years old)they should be 95 and older On the other hand there are many people in Pontus (even young) (modern NE Turkey) speaking Greek (pontian dialect) ,without ever informed for the origin of their language.
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Posted: 04-Jun-2006 at 14:12 |
Originally posted by Draco Valerious
Actually many of the Mikroasian Greeks also speak Turkish.
Maybe back in 1920's,but not now.There are some speaking them ,but quite old. |
mostly old genarations knows turkish,when i was in selanik ,most of greeks are very friendly.and selanik twins of izmir.
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Posted: 04-Jun-2006 at 14:16 |
mostly old genarations knows turkish
From the 1.250.000 Hellen refugees who came after the destruction of Smyrna in Hellas,around 200.000,if i am not mistaken,were speaking Turkish.Today only a few old people still speak Turkish.The rest are explained by Digenis.
hear in south america,armenians speaking turkish
Don't trust what you hear.
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Posted: 04-Jun-2006 at 14:20 |
ok draco we ask our armenians members .
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Posted: 04-Jun-2006 at 14:25 |
Much more wise.
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Posted: 04-Jun-2006 at 14:26 |
Originally posted by bleda
ok draco we ask our armenians members .
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I do not know about South America. But it is true for old Armenians in Bulgaria ... my headmaster in Bulgaria was an Armenian, and he spoke Turkish. Others understand it but cannot speak it. There are now newer Armenian immigrants in Bulgaria (like my neighbours) and they know no Turkish. Also they speak Armenian in a very different way from the way the original Bulgarian Armenians speak. An Armenian friend was explaining the differences but I cannot remember now.
Edited by bg_turk - 04-Jun-2006 at 14:29
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Posted: 04-Jun-2006 at 15:20 |
I have an Armenian friend, her mother is an Armenian from Venezuela,
her father is also an Armenian, from Syria (both being descendants of
Genocide survivors), they speak Western Armenian, not Turkish.
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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 04:16 |
bleda, there are Greeks who speak turkish, but they are not refugees from Asia Minor, but refugees from Constantinople, when they were forced to leave Turkey in 1955. I know such people (they were almost 200.000, quite many), and naturally most of them speak turkish well. Gypsies in Greece speak Roma and Greek. I don't know what exactly that is (it's supposed to be a Indian sort of language). There's a good chance they have turksih elements, but I really can't know that. I heard in a bus a gypsy woman's name was 'Aise' and not 'Erato' as in Greek television . Digenis, there are Turks living in our islands of eastern Aegean (Dodecanese) such as Rhodos, Kos etc. I didn't know that until this year when I met a people from Kos and Rhodos (in the University). Their number is about this 1000-2000. I assume that is because we took these islands long after the population exchange.
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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 05:07 |
there are turkish speaker on Kos, and some left in Rhodos (i dont know there numbers).
Who in there right mind would leave either island.
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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 05:09 |
25.000 ???
ps :i agree i ve been in Rhodes! Really beautiful!
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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 06:16 |
Originally posted by bleda
Originally posted by Draco Valerious
and in greece most of gypsies speaking turkish?
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are u sure? in selanik ,i talked turkish to gypsies
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Because there are so many people emigrated from Anatolia to Greece, it is not so hard to find people who you can speak Turkish with..
As those families who had emigrated continue to speak Turkish while they're at home, or at least they teach it to the children by using in some cases.
There was a man I know thanks to my father, Mr. Dimitrios Oreopoulos, a Greek who lives in Canada, one of the leading people in Nephrology(Medicine regarding kidneys) and called as the "father" of peritoneal dialysis.
This man was born in 1939 in Greece.But his hometown was the same place as my hometown in Turkey(Kayseri, one hour to Cappadocia)...
So, he was long after his family emigrated to Greece.When we spoke Turkish with my father, he understood that perfectly(and translated to us actually :D),but he couldn't speak.We asked, how can you understand such well even though you never lived in Turkey or you never learned practically(He had emigrated to Canada some time after WW II), he said:
" My parents and brothers all knew it very well and used to talk at home...There shall be some ear-familiarity..."
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