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Topic: Plz, explain this map? Posted: 27-Jan-2006 at 12:47 |
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Posted: 27-Jan-2006 at 12:50 |
It looks like the mongol empire to me? what is there to explain?
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Posted: 27-Jan-2006 at 12:52 |
The mongols never conquered India. This map doesn't make much sense. Where did you get it?
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Posted: 27-Jan-2006 at 13:00 |
this map is from encarta encyclopedia, and this map has mistakes , i remember making a thread about "Encarta mistakes" i mentioned this map too.
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Posted: 27-Jan-2006 at 15:41 |
did someone combine the mongol and mogol? et al
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Posted: 27-Jan-2006 at 21:33 |
And there is another one. Wow, this is cool, all religion in a one empire.
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Posted: 28-Jan-2006 at 00:57 |
Mongols did conquer India, but not much, as I recall there was
still a considerable southern indian territory outside of the mongol
Empire.
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Posted: 28-Jan-2006 at 03:31 |
I did some research and found out that the Mongols (Il-Khans, not
Mughals) never had lasting control of any land in India east of the
Indus river. They did try hard, however, and made a series of
unsuccesful raids into Sindh. Most of Kashmir was tributary to
the Mongols, I believe.
The map makers are most likely including later conquests by Mughals (who claimed to be descended from earlier Mongols).
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Posted: 28-Jan-2006 at 08:46 |
And there is another one. I think House of Chaghatai Khan did conquer India.
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Posted: 28-Jan-2006 at 09:47 |
^this map is absolutly ridiculous! if it were true i would have heard of it and i have never heard of all of south + south east asia being in control of the mongols!
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Posted: 28-Jan-2006 at 17:14 |
A much more correct map:
Main red outline is max. extension of Mongol Empire, outer red marks
seem to indicate vassal states, shaded area is Timur Lenk's empire.
India is out.
Source: Wikipedia.
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Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 12:41 |
yea didnt a mongal khan built the tac maal for his wife or something ... i think his name was cihan or something like that
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Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 13:14 |
The Mongols didn't conquer India at all, although they did have vassals in the northermost tip of India. The Mongols lauched a few raids in incursions into India, as far as Delhi, but none were successful in permanent conquests.
I have seen maps like that in the Original Post, even in documentaries. But they are simply wrong.
Not even Tamerlane went that far into India.
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Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 13:36 |
Originally posted by Imperator Invictus
The Mongols didn't conquer India at all, although they did have vassals in the northermost tip of India. The Mongols lauched a few raids in incursions into India, as far as Delhi, but none were successful in permanent conquests.
I have seen maps like that in the Original Post, even in documentaries. But they are simply wrong.
Not even Tamerlane went that far into India.
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But Mughal member of a Muslim dynasty of Mongol origin that ruled large parts of India from 1526 to 1857. See Encarta, pleeeeeeez
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Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 16:46 |
Yes, we all know about the Mughal Empire. However, the Mughal Empire was different from the Chingisid Empire.
I really hate it when people claim that "everything" originated from a single people.
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Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 16:54 |
Originally posted by deniztc1983
yea didnt a mongal khan built the tac maal for his wife or something ... i think his name was cihan or something like that |
He was a Mughal emperor who built the Taj Mahal as a tomb for his wife. His name was Shah Jehan.
Please, you might want to research a bit before you post. The internet is a wonderful tool, you know.
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Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 16:58 |
while we're on the topic, why didn't the Mongols ever conquer India? To my knowledge, until Tamerlane, they didn't even attempt to plunder it. An argument such the climate would work if it was question of an occuption, but what about raiding? After all, they attempted to conquer regions that were just as difficult in terms of climate, such as Vietnam.
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Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 19:22 |
I actually don't know, but i reckon it's easier to move an army through a desert than to move the entire hoard over the himalayas, probably not even the reason, i just know that if i was chingis then i would rather travel west than south over mountains.
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Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 20:04 |
Well, the Yuan Dynasty had no buisness in India.
The Il-Khanate did raid India several times. However, none of them were
sucessfully turned into conquests. One explanation is that in the early
history of the Il-Khanate, they were occupied by a civil war with the
Blue
Horde (Later known as the Golden Horde), during which Hulegu lost most
of his men trying to cross a frozen river (IIRC). Then, the Mameluks
became more
powerful and the Il-Khanate focused on its western border. The
Il-Khanate was defeated by the Mameluks in 1281 at Homs. I believe that
battle marked the last major foreign campaign for the Il-Khanate,
although it started raiding nearby territories at around 1299.
Another reason is that the Il-Khans ruled from Mesopotamia, so the Mameluks were a much greater issue to them than India.
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