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War brings out the best in men...do you agree?

War brings out courage and test the real character of oneself. War also pushes men to their limits whether it's emotionally or physically and it's a tremendous yet cruel experience for men. Do you agree?

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  Quote Styrbiorn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Oct-2004 at 10:24
Yes, but dom't forget it also brings out the worst.
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Wounding and cornering a badger brings out the best in badgers

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Wounding and cornering a badger brings out the best in badgers

Badgers..........We don't need no stinking Badgers!

I tend to agree with both SJI and Styrbiorn. War can cause terrible things like have soldiers mow down an entire line of civilians while having good qualities brought out with a soldier sacrificing his life to save that same line of civilians.

I think only one word can describe war accurately and that is emotional.

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War brings out the best in men...do you agree?

no. It brings out the evillest in men.
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  Quote cattus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Oct-2004 at 13:08
Unfortunately yes Lasallian,countless examples show that war and adversity sometimes unveil the best we are capable of. It is perhaps to counter the depths of evil in war.
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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Oct-2004 at 14:22
the evil out weigs the good by a longshot, as I dont view bravery and waht not as good per se just survival instinct or companion loyalty drive on overload.
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  Quote Kubrat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Oct-2004 at 15:51
The spark that ignites the war is evil.  It does bring out the best in men.. but what happens to those men?

War is evil... the quintessence of all negative emotions in a human being brought out on a global scale.
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  Quote white dragon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Oct-2004 at 21:21
i believe(unforuntatly)(i believe i mangled the spelling on that word) that war brings out the best in men, but also it brings out the worst in men, and once again, unfortuneatly(mangled again ) the worst out weighs the best
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All negative emotions? No, war is the epitome of human strife. It's not all the largest negative emotions, far from it. How did Britian and France get involved in WWII? Because they hated Hitler? Not really. But yes, it does bring out evil.

And also inspires us to advance faster.


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War is the way in which boys turn to men, and men to barbarians. The true boys will die, the true men shall either live and fight or at the worst die a glorious death, and the true barbarians remain barbarians in times of peace.
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 Anyone who says that war brings the best in man, certainly doesn't have a clue of the real nature of war.

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  Quote SJI Lasallian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Oct-2004 at 09:17
The best in men would be brought out in the hope of stopping the 'evils' of other men...without bringing out their best and pushing themselves to the limit, this 'evil' would almost be impossible to stop.
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  Quote SJI Lasallian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Oct-2004 at 09:24
War gives men power over other people but it also makes men vulnerable. With this power comes the ultimate test of character for men and it would certainly change the lives and future of mankind whether it's for good or bad.
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  Quote Styrbiorn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Oct-2004 at 12:41
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Pal, Im not sure how old are you, but I can tell not enough to be in a war.


Very few forumers as Glinert how served in Afganistan or one of our polish folks ( Im not sure if TJK or Maciek ) served in the Army as I did back in 1994, but war is everything but glorious.




Aye, looking at the posts can give you quite a grip on the age of the posters.


Personally, I have no first hand experice (I'm grateful for that!), only the national military service, though I've heard quite a few testimonies/stories from people who served in the Balkans and Congo.

For all those who believe that wars are all Glory and Honour, do some reading on Nanking, Magdeburg, the Balkans or preferably a soldier's diary.
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or look on the blogs of troops in Iraq right now, none of them seem very happy...

War may turn boy sinto men, but I think wed be all beter off as boys, without the mad ambitions and creul intentions of men

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Well... If you define glorious as brutally murdering people, it is glorious.

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  Quote SJI Lasallian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Oct-2004 at 17:25
I think some people are getting me wrong here. I'm not saying that war is glorious and I certainly don't think it is. However, what I'm trying to say now is that war force the 'best' out of us... and this 'best' does not have to be good, this 'best' is basically a special 'thing' that one have a talent for... I'm not saying war brings out the 'good' of men, please don't get me wrong and I'm sorry if I misled anyone.
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I think some people are getting me wrong here. I'm not saying that war is glorious and I certainly don't think it is. However, what I'm trying to say now is that war force the 'best' out of us... and this 'best' does not have to be good, this 'best' is basically a special 'thing' that one have a talent for... I'm not saying war brings out the 'good' of men, please don't get me wrong and I'm sorry if I misled anyone

 What a load of balony basically. When you see the gut and the brain of your friend spill in front of you, then come back and say war bring the best. If you want to win war you have to summon what is the worst in you. Take vietnam for example, even the US who claimed the moral high ground has been killing babies, raping and even at time mass murdering civilians. They did that because of the horror they've seen, gradually all humanity is taken away from them, and they become no more than dogs, war dogs with only one purpose to kill as efficiently as possible.

 

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