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Let us hope that the best and evilest shall remain inside all of us and not be pried out by war.
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Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl

 What a load of balony basically. When you see the gut and the brain of your friend spill in front of you, then come back and say war bring the best. If you want to win war you have to summon what is the worst in you. Take vietnam for example, even the US who claimed the moral high ground has been killing babies, raping and even at time mass murdering civilians. They did that because of the horror they've seen, gradually all humanity is taken away from them, and they become no more than dogs, war dogs with only one purpose to kill as efficiently as possible.

 

Now again, I don't mean to define that the 'best' is the nature of the things you do.

What I'm trying to put across to everyone is that war pushes men to their limits and produce their 'best' performance. For example, Hitler 'invented' the new 'Blitz' strategy that took the world by storm and even for all the evils he has done, no one can deny the fact that he was a military genius. Hitler could never have achieved this if the war had not pushed him to the top of his abilities and caused him to produce his 'best' military tactics...
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For example, Hitler 'invented' the new 'Blitz' strategy that took the world by storm and even for all the evils he has done, no one can deny the fact that he was a military genius.

Whether Hitler was a "military genius" is quite debatable.  Some, if not more, attribute German military success to his generals and other military commanders, rather than to him.  Some attribute German failures to Hitler not listening to his generals. 

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Hitler "military genious"? That is quite debatable.
Bad choices on the manufacture of certain weapons and gun types, the using of the 262, are the tip of the iceberg for this man evidently.
His Generals did indeed consider him a military fool. They said he would give broad orders overlooking a map saying" go here, push here", without even considering the consequences or the situation.
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Aye, looking at the posts can give you quite a grip on the age of the posters.

Really?  What's my age?

Let us hope that the best and evilest shall remain inside all of us and not be pried out by war.

I agree with this too.
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Ok, it may be debatable whether Hitler was a real 'military genius'... but we can't deny the fact that the ones who made this possible can also be called 'military geniuses' ...
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However, all these tactics would never exist if there wasn't a World War II...because everyone would just not bother about them...
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Winning the Peace brings about the best in men
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 true...
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Everyone makes mistakes...even a genius. Napoleon is widely known as a military genius but he still made mistakes...
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(quote)Let us hope that the best and evilest shall remain inside all of us and not be pried out by war.(end quote)

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Originally posted by SJI Lasallian

Ok, it may be debatable whether Hitler was a real 'military genius'... but we can't deny the fact that the ones who made this possible can also be called 'military geniuses' ...

Actually it is not debatable. Hitler was a real military idiot, not genius. I would say that Germany would have chance to win that war if Hitler ddint try to put his 2 cents into every plan of his HQ.

The only thing which can be debatable is if Hitler was or wasnt political genius. He was able to take Austria and Czechoslovakia without a shot. If he gave up after Czechoslovakia i guess that he would be today considered a second Bismarck. But his problem was that he didnt know when to stop so it might be debatable if he was a political genius or not. He didnt forseen his final disaster.

Originally posted by SJI Lasallian

Everyone makes mistakes...even a genius. Napoleon is widely known as a military genius but he still made mistakes......

Napoleon was great. You can think about him that he was evil or good, you can think whatever you want about him but it still doesnt change the fact that Napoleon was great and he wouldnt even care for your opinion. While Hitler was just pathetic. Comparing those 2 one to other is just pointless. Its moreless like comparing Augustus to Heliogabal.



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Originally posted by SJI Lasallian

Originally posted by Quetzalcoatl

 What a load of balony basically. When you see the gut and the brain of your friend spill in front of you, then come back and say war bring the best. If you want to win war you have to summon what is the worst in you. Take vietnam for example, even the US who claimed the moral high ground has been killing babies, raping and even at time mass murdering civilians. They did that because of the horror they've seen, gradually all humanity is taken away from them, and they become no more than dogs, war dogs with only one purpose to kill as efficiently as possible.

 

Now again, I don't mean to define that the 'best' is the nature of the things you do.

What I'm trying to put across to everyone is that war pushes men to their limits and produce their 'best' performance. For example, Hitler 'invented' the new 'Blitz' strategy that took the world by storm and even for all the evils he has done, no one can deny the fact that he was a military genius. Hitler could never have achieved this if the war had not pushed him to the top of his abilities and caused him to produce his 'best' military tactics...

Hmmm, well... he didn't really 'invent' anything. It seems kinda obvious that "catch them with their pants down and don't stop the beating!" is a good way to fight. It's kinda expected that a war stratedgy would be thought up of, and used in war though.

Ice cream cones were invented during peace time, at the world's fair. Noone had to die to make that genious apply waffle to icecream.
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