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Kenaney
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Topic: How did the Tuerks converted to Islam? Posted: 18-Jun-2005 at 13:42 |
Originally posted by yalbuzdag
are you discussing how Turks converted to islam or competing to insult turkish nation and culture the worst thin some of you are turkish .first of all we didnt invent our nation or create a pure turkish language we just remembered that we were not arabs and being a muslim is not same thing as being an arab.my grand father died in yemen by an arab knife they open his stomach to find gold.muslim kills muslim it is umayyad mentality of arabs they tried to create a national religion like their cousins and becouse of that they were never trully accepts turks as muslims.when they realize they dont have a chance against crusaders they beg to the turks to protect them can you show me one arabic commander who fought against crusaders. anyway the name of the culture is islam it is the religion off all humans and the prophet H.Z MUHAMMET(SAV)came for all of us if you think you will have special place in heaven just becouse you are an arab or Turk you are wrong. by the way we never think building a hotel by kaabaover 400 years it is really nice for people with money to have suits with beautifull scene it is really for a good muslim to do i really appreciate arabs effort to make islam stronger.
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On some points he has right, i agree with him. Thats why we Turks never trust arabs anymore. We trust them once in Suudi arabistan they backstabbed us, we trusted them in palestina they sold their own homes to jews, etc etc...
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Murtaza
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Posted: 18-Jun-2005 at 17:42 |
Kenaney
Dont you trust people of Konya too?
You know at independance war, They backstabbed us too. Or other cities, there were rebels at that city.
You should realy find another reason for your feeling against Arabs.
This ones are not so much good.
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Posted: 19-Jun-2005 at 01:01 |
first off all did i ever accuse or insult someone and what gives you right to call a person moron who you dont even know if you dont know how to read it is your problem i did not insult or belittle anyones culture like some off you did to my culture if you guys dont know how to discuss there is nothing i can say i do not hate neither arabs nor any other race i donot have any feelings towards them for you mr murtaza mind your manners and read carefully again what i wrote if thereis any insult i will take it back
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Kenaney
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Posted: 20-Jun-2005 at 13:04 |
Originally posted by Murtaza
Kenaney
Dont you trust people of Konya too?
You know at independance war, They backstabbed us too. Or other cities, there were rebels at that city.
You should realy find another reason for your feeling against Arabs.
This ones are not so much good.
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Konya en cok sehid veren Ilcemiz digilmiydi ozamanlar? The backstabber so far i know where dersim kurds and some kurds united by a fake sheyh.
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Kenaney
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Posted: 20-Jun-2005 at 13:05 |
Originally posted by yalbuzdag
first off all did i ever accuse or insult someone and what gives you right to call a person moron who you dont even know if you dont know how to read it is your problem i did not insult or belittle anyones culture like some off you did to my culture if you guys dont know how to discuss there is nothing i can say i do not hate neither arabs nor any other race i donot have any feelings towards them for you mr murtaza mind your manners and read carefully again what i wrote if thereis any insult i will take it back
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You havent say anything wrong, thats my point of vieuw too so ive agreed with you.
and Murtaza dont call people morons or fools if you dont agree with their opinion pls.
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Murtaza
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Posted: 20-Jun-2005 at 13:12 |
Kenaney
There is rebellion in Konya. Also other cities rebelled but I dont remember them much.
hey dont have a chance against crusaders they beg to the turks to protect them can you show me one arabic commander who fought against crusaders.
Look this, Is this a good word? to beg? Infact Crusaders comes to anatolia, because of the Turks. Byzantium want help from them against Turk.
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Kenaney
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Posted: 20-Jun-2005 at 13:25 |
Originally posted by Murtaza
Kenaney hey dont have a chance against crusaders they beg to the turks to protect them can you show me one arabic commander who fought against crusaders.
Look this, Is this a good word? to beg? Infact Crusaders comes to anatolia, because of the Turks. Byzantium want help from them against Turk.
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Crusaders comes to anatolia for 2 reasons: 1 for richness of anatolia 2. for occuping Qudus, the holy place of the christianity.
The hate of the greeks and the west is because of that, we never let them go to Qudus, we allways won them in anatolia and later stopped that sh*t.
Who did stop them Murtaza? Arabs?
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Posted: 20-Jun-2005 at 13:36 |
did we stop them?
Not at First Crusade, and not third crusade. But well , we did realy good job. Noone said It was not Turk who fight against Crusaders.
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HulaguHan
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Posted: 20-Jun-2005 at 21:06 |
It was only Turks who fought against Crusaders especially in the beginning trials: Crusades 1-3.
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Jagatai Khan
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Posted: 23-Jun-2005 at 15:48 |
In first crusade,the Turks only defeated the first wave of the crusaders;the pillager crusader army commanded by Pierre L'Hermite.
After them,an outnumbering army with all the strong knights,dukes and barons of Europe came to Anatolia.They defeated the Seljuks and captured Nicosia,however Selchuk armies of Kilic Arslan I began a guerilla war on the plains and mountains of Anatolia;the crusader armies had so many casualties when they arrived southern Anatolia
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HulaguHan
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Posted: 24-Jun-2005 at 16:19 |
Turkish cities never rose a revolt like Aeabians. Only a few loosers like deli bas mehmet rose revolts, that' s it.
Arabs truly unified aginst us. Still they are hostile towards us. We built castles to protect them, they collapse them and build hotels.
Do you know why Prophet Muhammed' s sword is in Istanbul? Because we do not wanted that to be in the hands of British. THere was a complete revolt in Arabia, never forget it.
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Posted: 25-Jun-2005 at 05:16 |
so what if the arabs revolted? big deal. Dont cry about what already happened.
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Posted: 25-Jun-2005 at 17:41 |
Originally posted by HulaguHan
Turkish cities never rose a revolt like Aeabians. Only a few loosers like deli bas mehmet rose revolts, that' s it.
Arabs truly unified aginst us. Still they are hostile towards us. We built castles to protect them, they collapse them and build hotels.
Do you know why Prophet Muhammed' s sword is in Istanbul? Because we do not wanted that to be in the hands of British. THere was a complete revolt in Arabia, never forget it.
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Well said again Hulagu...
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Cengiz Kagan
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Posted: 12-Jul-2005 at 21:10 |
Originally posted by azimuth
Tyou should read your Turkish History again
Islam gave civilization which made Turkey through the Ottomans one of the strongest empires in the world
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This is absolute nonsense.
Atilla The Hun, Djengiz Kagan, Bilge Kagan etc. were all Turks and NON muslim and they built great empires.
Turkish history is 5000 years old. So before islam we were powerful also.
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Phallanx
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Posted: 12-Jul-2005 at 23:30 |
Originally posted by Kenaney
]Crusaders comes to anatolia for 2 reasons: 1 for richness of anatolia
2. for occuping Qudus, the holy place of the christianity. |
Never heard about the first reason you give but the second one is quite
accurate. It was Emperor Alexius that asked Pope Urban II for asistance
after losing Anatolia to the Turks. The Pope, took advantage of
Alexius' plead for help and "in the name of God" called the people to
take up arms and liberate the Holly lands.
No matter how you choose to see it, the obvious reason is one.
It was all about power.
Originally posted by Cengiz Kagan
Turkish history is 5000 years old. So before islam we were powerful also. |
Interesting, and where were the Turks in 3000BC?
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To the gods we mortals are all ignorant.Those old traditions from our ancestors, the ones we've had as long as time itself, no argument will ever overthrow, in spite of subtleties sharp minds invent.
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Miller
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Posted: 13-Jul-2005 at 00:08 |
Originally posted by Cengiz Kagan
This is absolute nonsense.
Atilla The Hun, Djengiz Kagan, Bilge Kagan etc. were all Turks and NON muslim and they built great empires.
Turkish history is 5000 years old. So before islam we were powerful also.
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You guys are being modest again. I would say that Turkish history is at least 10000 years old. Some day they may even discover that Neanderthal were Turkic specking turanoids
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Posted: 13-Jul-2005 at 00:11 |
Originally posted by Phallanx
Interesting, and where were the Turks in 3000BC?
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Still doing what they always do, being nomadic wonderers..
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http://theforgotten.org/intro.html
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azimuth
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Posted: 13-Jul-2005 at 03:06 |
Originally posted by Cengiz Kagan
Originally posted by azimuth
Tyou should read your Turkish History again
Islam gave civilization which made Turkey through the Ottomans one of the strongest empires in the world
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This is absolute nonsense.
Atilla The Hun, Djengiz Kagan, Bilge Kagan etc. were all Turks and NON muslim and they built great empires.
Turkish history is 5000 years old. So before islam we were powerful also.
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i didnt say that turk didnt had empires before islam, and i didnt say truks were not powerfull before islam.
read carefull please,
and wasn't the Ottoman one of the strongest empires turks had?????
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Kenaney
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Posted: 13-Jul-2005 at 09:58 |
Chenghiz kagan, ill say you a Turkish "deghim" and you will understand the situation here: "Bir kr"e yol gsteremezsin" or in English "you cant show the way to a blind man" sorry if its incorrect (i mean translation)
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Phallanx
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Posted: 13-Jul-2005 at 13:51 |
Originally posted by Kenaney
]"you cant show the way to a blind man" |
Please do try to show us the 'light'.
Exactly how do the names presented support the 5000yr history claim, when they are all of a much earlier time???
Bilge Kagan lived 716 AD
Djengiz Kagan 1200 AD
Atilla The Hun 410 AD
I don't think we need to get into the fact, that some of you have
argued about some non-Mongolian origin, yet you do claim Mongols as
your ancestors
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To the gods we mortals are all ignorant.Those old traditions from our ancestors, the ones we've had as long as time itself, no argument will ever overthrow, in spite of subtleties sharp minds invent.
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