How did the Tuerks converted to Islam?

No, the Islamisation of the Turkic peoples of Central Asia started in the Qara-Khanid realms several decades before the Oghuz started converting to Islam. Islam spread to Central Asia via Transoxiana and Semirechie.

You're wrong again  The Bulgars were already an independent state ruled by a khan who sent an emissary to B�ghd�d to help them teach Islam. The Qara-Khanid state converted some time after the Volg Bulgar Khanate did.

The Oghuz Yabghu Lands were located across Transoxiana, those steppes were not ruled by the Selj�kids.

No, most of the Turks converted to Islam because their leaders ordered them to do so.

i dont think Turkey needs a lesson form anybody about anything

all you have to do is look back at your history and you will get all the lessons you need. 

Turkey has a  rich culture and history which every turkish should be proud off

about America raping Iraq story, i think you should read about it 1st then  see what did we do to prevent that raping.

Kuwait and Qatar  were the only Arabic countries who were involved in that war

Saudi arabia refused its land to be used for the war porpuse while turkey was happy to help.

UAE was the ONLY country to offer saddam and his regime to step aside to aviod the war. 

not for him but for the Iraqis

at that point the war was going to happing and no country was able to stop it

not even Russa, Germany, France and China together

Umayyads attacked Trasoxianna ( lets say Sogdia ) and Khwarizm. THose places were actually invaded by Gokturks as far as I remember in the beginning of 7th century. You know Gokturks and Romans were close allies fighting against Sassanids. These regions were occupied but could not be Turkified. When Gokturk Empire was crashed by Chinese, they became independent. THese cities were Persian city states. Turks ruled there but you know we are easy for assimilation, Turks could not Turkify there. People living there were not nomads, they were living in cities such as Semerkand , BUkhara, etc. THese cities were Persian populated cities. Umayyads did many crimes to them.

On the other hand second Gokturk Empire attacked arabs in Sogdia. Rene Grousset says Prince Kul Tigin was beaten by Qutaiba. However, Gokturk source Orhun Writings say Gokturks went, could not find the army, did not fight and turned back. Ihsan is good at this point. Ihsan, what happened there?

When the Caliph changed, new Caliph killed Qutaiba. After that Turgish under Sulu attacked Umayyads.

In all of the occasions the actual agressor was Turgish and 2nd Gokturk Empires.

OUR CONVERSION:

Not really. First of all, the place Sogdia, gained its own independence 100 years later than the Umayyad Invasion. Yes I am talking about the Samanids. Samanids started Jihad for the first time against Turkics. Turkics were not attacked before. Samanids converted some Turkic tribes in the border by force. An example is Ghaznawids. But after passing those tribes, their assasin Karahanli Empire was waiting. Karahanli first repulsed their attacks, then attacked back 10 times harder. THey even captured a Samanid Prince. In 900' s as far as I remember, the prince of Karahanli Empire, Satuk Bugra Han, became  friend with this captive. Noone knows why but he chose Islam as his religion. That is the main starting of our conversion. Most of us converted by our own will. But true Ghaznawids were converted by Persians. No Umayyad attacks on steps occured.

Even if Umayyads attacked the nomads and be successful, the nomads would immigrate like they did when Chinese pushed them around 200 AD... They even immigrated to Europe!!!! Remember Huns.

On the contrary, Umayyads was in trouble to keep Sogdia in their hands. It was Turks who were playing the aggressor.

WHY WE CAME TO BAGHDAD, SELJUKS:

Seljuks were having trouble between Karahanli and Gazne Empires. When the captive Caliph called for aid from Seljuks against the Buwayhids, Tugrul Bey entered Baghdad and saved Caliph, eleminated the Buwayhids. This day is not well remembered by our arabic brothers, they consider, this is the turning point of their civilization. Caliph granted him, the lands god gave to the Caliph.

Next job of Seljuks were eliminating the other rebellion group, Fatimids from Egypt. This task was to be done by Alparslan.

However, Roman Empire gained its force yet again, and prepared to attack Azerbaijan. Alparslan turned back there. they made plans with Kutalmisoglu Suleyman. Kutalmisoglu wanted to invade Anatolia, but Alparslan wanted to eliminate Fatimids. Alparslan wanted to make piece with Romanos 4 Diogenes. Kutalmisoglu left the alliance. Alparslan was alone. You know the rest, Romans attacked Seljuks but were beaten.

You know Anatolian conquest later done by Kutalmisoglu Suleyman in 1075. He even invaded Uskudar. Aplarslan never wanted the Antolian conquest in reality. kutalmisoglu wanted to be the Roman Emperor.

Seljuks did not have a task of Anatolian conquest. They had no task. They controlled themselves. They wanted to control all islamic world, and wanted to clean Fatimids. Then north africa, then may be spain. Who knows?

But after Alparslan, Meliksah oriented the trajectory to the Romans. And the Seljuk Sultanate of Rome was established.

Islam is a religion, there is nothing to be proud of, if you believe in god you believe because it is only choice, it is a divine thing. But off course religions have cultures. Islam has some Greko-Persian culture because it took its culture from Egyptian and Persian tradition. Islamic way of life was affected  by Hellenic and PErsian culture way too much. I really like it. Seljuks were cool, so as Khwarizm, Timurids, Golden HOrde, Cagatay, Ottoman, etc...

I think secularism is the key to the development of any country. Religion-state countries simply are unable to continue development at some stage (as we seen with many in the past, christian and muslim).

So I think religion should be a matter of the individual, and state a matter for everyone.

Actually, in the 560s and 570s

Not Persian but Soghdian.

When Qutaiba invaded Soghdiana the Soghdian city-states (ruled by a Turkic elite) asked the G�k T�rks for help. The G�k T�rk army was already campaigning against the On Oq in Semirechie so they didn't turn back and instead marched on Transoxiana. The inscriptions than say the peoples/regions of "Sughdaq/Soghdaq" (Soghdiana), "Toqar" (Tukharistan) and "Tezik" (Muslim Arabs) were "restored/re-ordered". Later, they returned to Mongolia with rich trophies.

Actually that S�m�nid prince was a refugee rather than a prison.

And the Ghaznawids were not a tribe, the term Ghaznawid, like Selj�kid or Roman or Ottoman, was used for the subjects of the Ghaznawid Dynasty.

You're welcome

Grousset' s book says, Persian Samanids converted come of the tribes with force and one of them is Ghaznevids.

LOL  The Ghaznawid Empire was established by Turkic slaves converted by the S�m�nids but there were no tribes called "Ghaznawid"  As I said, Ghaznawid is a political name, not ethnic.

Originally posted by ihsan You're welcome Grousset' s book says, Persian Samanids converted come of the tribes with force and one of them is Ghaznevids. LOL  The Ghaznawid Empire was established by Turkic slaves converted by the S�m�nids but there were no tribes called "Ghaznawid"  As I said, Ghaznawid is a political name, not ethnic.

Yep, I should not have said like that, if we want to be precise, we should not use Ghaznawid as a name of a tribe.

But in reality, those tribes were not really captured. They prefered to become a slave of Samanid Persians, rather than becoming slave of Karahanids. They cooperated with Samanids and the cost was conversion.

In reality, Karahanids, who invaded Samanids, became muslim. Which proves that significant claim, Iran conquers her conqueror. Do we have any other examples of this occasion? The conqueror converts to the religion of the conquered country.

We were the best soldiers of the world history, noone doubts it, they say Cengiz Kagan' s army was the best of all, but we lacked culture, we were easy to be assimilated.

Huns, Avars, Onogurs, Bulgars, Seljuks , Ilhanlis, Timurids, Safavids, Afsarids in Iran, Turks occupied China in Kubilay times. Hope at least we did not lose our identity.

I must say Muslim Turkic People were better in this ocaasion rather than the non-Muslim Turks. That is because Persian culture, state organization, updated us. THe only exception, Seljuks, Timurids, Safavids in Iran were assimilated because it was the base culture of our states.

I really can not understand, how Persians let arabs to convert them selves to islam.

BTW, Talas Battle is interesting.

After the battle of Talas, unlike the historians of Turkish high  school books claim, Karluks, joining with Tibetans continued attacking Arabs.

I do not know Ihsan, why there exixts rumors that Turks were conquered by arabs or Persians, Don' t these guys look at geographical atlases, maps.  But you give chance to those things, you name Sogdiana as western Turkistan, you do not reply to my request, I think you do not see it.

And the thing is, 90% of the important parts of islamic world came under our control just 100 years after our conversion. We came like thunder, conquered Samanids in Khwarizm and Sogdia, then Seljuks got Khurasan and all Iran, Iraq, Syria, Palestine, etc... We came like Thunder. Truth is Qarakhanids converted in the times of Musa Baytas, son of Satuk Bugra Khan who was influenced by a Samanid refugee prince (Thanks for our history genius Ihsan for correcting me in the previous messages). Noone conquered us in middle asia except Russians and Chinese.

I have a word guys, write this in the front page:

BEING NEIGHBOR WITH TURKS IS THE MOST DIFFICULT THING, WATCH US

Take a look at Chinese walls.

I do not know Ihsan, why there exixts rumors that Turks were conquered by arabs or Persians, Don' t these guys look at geographical atlases, maps.  But you give chance to those things, you name Sogdiana as western Turkistan, you do not reply to my request, I think you do not see it.