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ihsan
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Topic: Roman city in China! Posted: 15-Oct-2004 at 03:45 |
Originally posted by Alparslan
As far as blondism is concerned; it is very well known that some Turkish tribes such as Cumans were mostly blond. |
Well, I would like to see some original sources for blonde Cumans
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SJI Lasallian
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Posted: 15-Oct-2004 at 12:07 |
I never encountered chinese with such features before...
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TMPikachu
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Posted: 15-Oct-2004 at 19:39 |
Originally posted by Imperatore Dario I
Yeah, they aren't, because they're part Arab.
Yeah, and you're part stupid.
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I'm sorry, I've been proven wrong by the evidence brought up. I apologise, for I did not know better. I take back the offending statement that your people have Arabic blood.
That's why we have these forums, to exchange what we know, discard what is false, take in new facts and truths. Thankyou for correcting a false belief I had been carrying.
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SJI Lasallian
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Posted: 15-Oct-2004 at 22:59 |
...that's great, Pikachu. I'm sure we all respect that..
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"I adore in all things the will of God in my regard" -- Saint John Baptist De la Salle (final words)
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Imperatore Dario I
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Posted: 22-Oct-2004 at 15:45 |
I'm sorry, I've been proven wrong by the evidence brought up. I apologise, for I did not know better. I take back the offending statement that your people have Arabic blood.
That's why we have these forums, to exchange what we know, discard what is false, take in new facts and truths. Thankyou for correcting a false belief I had been carrying.
And I apologize for attacking you and being so hasty against you, I won't let that happen again!
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Let there be a race of Romans with the strength of Italian courage.- Virgil's Aeneid
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Gubook Janggoon
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Posted: 22-Oct-2004 at 16:48 |
Originally posted by Imperatore Dario I
I'm sorry, I've been proven wrong by
the evidence brought up. I apologise, for I did not know better. I take
back the offending statement that your people have Arabic blood.
That's why we have these forums, to exchange what we know,
discard what is false, take in new facts and truths. Thankyou for
correcting a false belief I had been carrying.
And I apologize for attacking you and being so hasty against you, I won't let that happen again! |
You see this is how it should be. I applaud both of you for your
courtesy and your quickness to appologize to each other. If only
everyone else was like you two...
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ihsan
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Posted: 25-Oct-2004 at 10:19 |
It's not false that Southern Italians might have some Arabic ancestors, those people ruled the region for a long time. Also don't forget the Greeks of Calabria.
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Imperatore Dario I
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Posted: 29-Oct-2004 at 17:13 |
It's not false that Southern Italians might have some Arabic ancestors, those people ruled the region for a long time. Also don't forget the Greeks of Calabria.
Of course there's the possibility of Sicilians holding Arabic blood, but, if there is, if any at all, it's like around .7% on average. As for the Greeks of Calabria, yeah, they exist, so what? The point is, the people of Italy are united and celebrate the culture and history which brings them together.
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Let there be a race of Romans with the strength of Italian courage.- Virgil's Aeneid
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Cywr
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Posted: 29-Oct-2004 at 17:23 |
Italy has always had the natural variation of tones from North to
South, most countries display such variation if your prepared to look
for it, even England, though somewhat oddly reveresed (darker features
in the north, lighter in the south).
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Arrrgh!!"
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Guests
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Posted: 30-Oct-2004 at 13:53 |
Perhaps these were remnants of Roman armies sent to Persia that wandered beyond Central Asia.
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Imperatore Dario I
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Posted: 30-Oct-2004 at 15:45 |
Originally posted by cheapfujianese
Perhaps these were remnants of Roman armies sent to Persia that wandered beyond Central Asia. |
You should have read the beginning of the thread, because that's what happened.
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Serge L
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Posted: 03-Nov-2004 at 05:30 |
Only one remark: why should the concept of having some Arabian blood (even though it actually is negligible) offensive for Italians?
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babyblue
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Posted: 03-Nov-2004 at 06:42 |
Originally posted by Serge L
Only one remark: why should the concept of having some Arabian blood (even though it actually is negligible) offensive for Italians? |
come on...don't bring it up...
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Yiannis
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Posted: 03-Nov-2004 at 07:16 |
Originally posted by Serge L
Only one remark: why should the concept of having some Arabian blood (even though it actually is negligible) offensive for Italians? |
In my mind the offensive part is that people who bring this up, mean it to be offensive. E.g. if I perceive that you call me a donkey because I endure much trouble and complain little, I won't be offended. On the other hand if you call me a donkey meaning that I'm a "stuborn ass" I'll be offended. I guess that Italians are offended because those that bring up this concept mean it as offensive so they get offended. Get it?
Same in Greece, we can use the same word (Malaka) to call someone a friend or an ass*ole! It's just how it's used and the message is altered!
Otherwise there's -of course- no offence in anyone having Arabian, or Italian or Greek etc blood in his veins...
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Serge L
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Posted: 03-Nov-2004 at 08:59 |
Got it
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Yiannis
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Posted: 03-Nov-2004 at 09:07 |
I think you "got it" before I even posted my view.
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The basis of a democratic state is liberty. Aristotle, Politics
Those that can give up essential liberty to obtain a temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin
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Kubrat
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Posted: 03-Nov-2004 at 18:17 |
Very true post Yiannis. (The one with the explanation)
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Kids
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Posted: 19-Nov-2004 at 02:52 |
Man, I dont believe that. Just because Ma Chao used tactic akin to Romans, doesnt mean HE was Roman origin. I meant during the Warring States era, infantries were fought like Macedonians: long lance with round shield in a phalanx-like formation. So can you assume that Qin (200bc) copied Greeks way of war, because Qin was located near the inner Asia, and their rise corresponsed to the Alexander's conquest, which reached as far as Afghanistan?
That was just non-sense.
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capcartoonist
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Posted: 10-Dec-2004 at 15:33 |
I'd like to see some real proof of a Roman city being founded in ancient China. Does seem like an odd place for it.
As to the genetic makeup of Italians, over 90% of the genetic makeup of Europeans hasn't changed since Paleolithic times, despite all the comings and goings of migrating peoples.
Most Italians, like other Mediterranean peoples, are dark-haired and fair-skinned (though often tanned). The blonds, found mostly in northern Italy, come from Germanic (Lombard) stock. At least, that's the prevailing theory.
As for the Cumans, their westernmost expansion overlapped territories that once marked the easternmost expansion of the Ostrogoths. That area, north of the black sea, passed from the goths to the Huns, and then a multitude of peoples who passed thru. Could be that the Gothic genes remained in the area. My guess is that is where the blond hair came from.
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JiNaRen
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Posted: 10-Dec-2004 at 17:39 |
Originally posted by Kids
Man, I dont believe that. Just because Ma Chao used tactic akin to Romans, doesnt mean HE was Roman origin. I meant during the Warring States era, infantries were fought like Macedonians: long lance with round shield in a phalanx-like formation. So can you assume that Qin (200bc) copied Greeks way of war, because Qin was located near the inner Asia, and their rise corresponsed to the Alexander's conquest, which reached as far as Afghanistan?
That was just non-sense.
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Ma Chao fought along the Qiang and used steppes tactics, he commanded an army of mounted spearmen
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