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Topic: ethnicity of mimar sinan(ottoman architect)? Posted: 07-Jan-2006 at 16:12 |
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Posted: 07-Jan-2006 at 16:37 |
The name comes off as Armenian to me, but I am not sure. He made many buildings.
Me'mar means architect in Arabic, so it is not part of his actual name.
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Posted: 07-Jan-2006 at 16:54 |
I have heared he was from Albania, how accurate is this?
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Posted: 07-Jan-2006 at 19:41 |
he was an armenian rum.
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Posted: 07-Jan-2006 at 20:34 |
He was of the Ottoman Muslim millet.
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Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 02:14 |
Originally posted by Beylerbeyi
He was of the Ottoman Muslim millet. |
I think I read that, too. He was born Greek Orthodox with name Joseph, and then somehow, somehwere converted to Islam?
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Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 03:56 |
He was born around 1490 in Kayseri as
the son of a Christian mason. In 1521 he enrolled in the Janissary Corps, an
elite wing of the Ottoman army whose members were all taken from Christian families
converted to Islam and trained to fight for the Sultan. |
Source: http://www.mymerhaba.com/en/main/content.asp_Q_id_E_142
In Kayseri (Caesarea), most Christians were either Armenian or Greek.
Beylerbeyi is right, he was part of the Muslim millet, but his roots
were part of an ethnicity that practiced Christianity. In that part of
the Empire that means chances are he could've been Armenian.
As you know, Ottomans had many famous Armenian architects. The Balian architect family for example, was Armenian.
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Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 04:18 |
both names mimar and sinan are Arabic names.
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Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 04:36 |
Ya, the name could have been given to him after he was Islamicized (which was standard practice for Janissaries).
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 12:36 |
I have heared he was from Albania, how accurate is this? |
There are some few who have supported this, although I was not one of them, because he designed a popular mosque in Albania. But thats the only reason I can think of. Seems like BS to me.
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 14:26 |
His roots (probably Armenian) are not important. He was a typical Ottoman. 'Mimar' is not a name, it means 'architect'. 'Sinan' is a Muslim name, common one among converts/janissaries etc. 'Mimar Sinan' means 'Sinan the Architect'.
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 15:01 |
It's as important as this thread. The person who created the thread did so for the very purpose of finding out for his/her own personal interest.
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Posted: 11-Jan-2006 at 02:45 |
oh there is no such thing as muslim name, its Arabic.
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Posted: 11-Jan-2006 at 10:53 |
no one said it wasnt arabic, and there is such things as muslim names just like there are christian names, jewish names, etc
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Either your a slave to what MADE-MAN
Or your a slave to what MAN-MADE
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Posted: 12-Jan-2006 at 19:49 |
Nobody could know his origin
Mimar Sinan was picked up from Kayseri (City where located in the middle of Turkey) as a Janissary when he was child and he educated by best teachers of Ottomans.His family could be Armenian but its not important as beylerbeyi said.
He was good Ottoman and muslim.
Moreover he was best friend of Sultan Suleyman the Magnificent.
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Posted: 13-Jan-2006 at 00:11 |
If it isn't important, then why do some sources prefer to say that he was an Albanian or a Rum?
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Posted: 13-Jan-2006 at 09:50 |
Dont look at his origin, look at his artworks. Read about it and youll amaze him twice... You simply say "whaaowww"
He whas a kind "Haman" of the padishah kanuni sultan suleyman.
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Posted: 13-Jan-2006 at 14:47 |
If it isn't important, then why do some sources prefer to say that he was an Albanian or a Rum? |
Because we live in an age when nationalistic ideas are popular. Everyone wants a piece of a great man for her nation. But I already told you the reality, he was 100% Ottoman Muslim. Not Armenian, not Rum, nor Albanian nor any kind of Christian. Not even Turkish. He was of the Ottoman Muslim millet.
oh there is no such thing as muslim name, its Arabic. |
Yes, I've met many Confucianists, Buddhists, Christians, Animists and Shamanists named Sinan myself. That's why he has that name, because he was a Christian Arab, right? Or maybe a Shamanist Turk.
Wake up and smell the coffee mate, he got that name when he converted to Islam, because it was a Muslim name, common one for converts, meaning 'tip of the spear'. Of course it is Arabic, but he did not convert to Arabness, he converted to Islam, Islam is why Turks are called Sinan, and you know it as well as I do.
Turkish nationalists say that Turkish Islam should be cleansed from Arab language and customs, or be abandoned altogether. We should return to our ancestors' religion of Shamanism. You are giving them ammunition by writing this.
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Posted: 13-Jan-2006 at 15:19 |
you didnt prove anything, this name is Arabic and islam isn't a language its a religion for all people.
this name and other names were used before islam by Arabs and you can find many non-muslims arabs and not arabs having arabic names that doesn't mean they are Muslims using "islamic names".
iam not arguing people who converted to islam usually change their names to names muslims use, this is a part where the person coverting changing his name from the non-bliever name to a name muslims use.
and not all muslims has arabic names, and they are muslims.
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Posted: 13-Jan-2006 at 15:47 |
changing his name from the non-bliever name |
There is no such thing as a non-believer name! It is an Armenian name.
Bending over backwards not to write 'a muslim' name...
Well, I think everyone including you knows what I mean, anyway.
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