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    Posted: 07-Jan-2006 at 12:12
My list is:

1. Napoleon Bonaparte
2. Hannibal
3. Alexander the Great
4. Genghis Khan
5. Erwin Rommel


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jan-2006 at 12:41
Man a list for all history is very complicated.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jan-2006 at 13:12

Originally posted by St. Francis of Assisi

My list is:

1. Napoleon Bonaparte
2. Hannibal
3. Alexander the Great
4. Genghis Khan
5. Erwin Rommel

I can agree with 1,2,3, and 4. Rommel doesn't belong in the top five. You have to take in to consideration Rommel's innovations for warfare and his success. There are a few who outrank him in these categories: Frederick II, Subedei, Scipio, Adolphus, Jackson, Cordoba, Churchill, Belisarius, or Wellington. Rommel could be in a top 20 list but not a top 10 and definately a top five list.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jan-2006 at 13:17

-It is difficult to create a list of the five greatest Generals of all time considering the evolution of warfare and military tactics. But, here is my list.....

1. Gaius Julius Caesar

2. Hannibal

3. Sun Tzu

4. Scipio Africanus

5. Napolean Bonaparte

6. Alexander the Great

7. Subotai the Valiant

8. Genghis Khan *(he had great Generals surrounding him also, he would of ranked higher had he not had so much supporting talent)

9. Li Shimin

10. Douglas MacArthur

-I included a list of my top ten selections, though many people will disagree with my list. Again, claiming that one General was greater than the other over wide time frames is nearly impossible.

 



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I think the question is basically impossible, considering that there are many different qualities, let alone the vast number of generals and the evolution of warfare. For example, different criteria include:

1. Size of conquest/campaign
2. Tactical Skill
3. Skill in grand strategy
4. Traditional vs. innovative tactics
5. Charisma
6. Political/Administrative Skill

Many in the list who are great in one area do poorly in others. For example, Hannibal is great for #2, but weak in everything else, while on the other hand, Genghis Khan is strong in #1, #5 and #6 and probably average for the rest. Alexander was strong in #1, #2 and #5, but was especially weak in #6. 

On the whole, I think most of the people in your list of 10 are good picks (although there are far more that were as great), except for Caesar, whom I think shouldn't even be in the top 10 for Roman generals.


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I have always favored Caesar........he did great things in my opinion, but I selected him for number one because I admire his military philosophy.....

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You make an excellent point though! I failed to look deeply enough into the aspects of an effective General....... After your post, I may review and edit my selection!
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1. Size of conquest/campaign
2. Tactical Skill
3. Skill in grand strategy
4. Traditional vs. innovative tactics
5. Charisma
6. Political/Administrative Skill

Well, let's see then. Let's give a maximum of ten points per category, and add them up out of 60.

I'll rank some generals:

Alexander the Great:

1. 10
2. 8
3. 8
4. 10
5. 10
6. 2

48/60

Napoleon:

1. 10
2. 10
3. 10
4. 5
5. 8
6. 7

50/60

Hannibal:

1. 7
2. 10
3. 10
4. 5
5. 5
6. 5

42/60

Genghis Khan

1. 10
2. 10
3. 7
4. 3
5. 5
6. 10

45/60

Julius Caesar

1. 7
2. 4
3. 2
4. 3
5. 10
6. 10

36/60
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jan-2006 at 14:29
hmmmm.... i almost never give people numbers, so ill just name my favorite 5 (probably not the best).

Here goes:
Erwin Rommel (what did you expect )
Genghis Khan
Alexander the Great
Hannibal Barca
and Gaivvs Ivlivs Caesar
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jan-2006 at 15:38
Well, we have the same list, except that you think Caesar was better than Napoleon.

Come on!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jan-2006 at 15:40
My list is:

Alsander the Great
Julious Ceaser
Napolean
Wellington
Sun Tzu

My criteria was basically on how good their army was.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jan-2006 at 17:19
Caesar... no more than an able Sepoy general...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jan-2006 at 18:17
Sun Tzu was not a general.

There is doubt that he was even a real person, instead of a series of authors.

We have no record of him winning ANY battles.

How can you place someone who probably didn't exist, and of whom we have no record of fighting any battles above such great generals as Hannibal and so on?

And Caesar was not that good of a general!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jan-2006 at 19:02

In chronological order:

Alexander

Hannibal

Scipio

Edward III

Nuno lvares Pereira

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jan-2006 at 19:13

Subotai ,Li shi min,Alexander,Aguda Khan,

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jan-2006 at 19:19
I'd also nominate:

Yue Fei
Belisarius
Consantine
Tamerlane
Tariq ibn Ziyad

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jan-2006 at 19:32

Sun Tzu was no general? I guess I am incorrect on that selection then...I based alot of that post on the fact that Sun Tzu has world renowned military logic, I guess I just assumed he was a general.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jan-2006 at 19:53

Originally posted by Imperator Invictus

I'd also nominate:

Yue Fei
Belisarius
Consantine
Tamerlane
Tariq ibn Ziyad

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jan-2006 at 21:12

Originally posted by Jay.

My list is:

Alsander the Great
Julious Ceaser
Napolean
Wellington
Sun Tzu

My criteria was basically on how good their army was.
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We don't know much about Sun Tzu and his actual military leadership. Of course he wrote THE book of military strategy and thought but his accomplishments and victories are hidden if they ever truly happened. I wouldn't include him in a top Generals list.

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