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    Posted: 06-Oct-2004 at 17:47

 

  Ignacio Elizondo, betrayed to the Father of the Independence ( Hidalgo ) by delivering him to the spaniards.

  Lorenzo de Zavala and Juan N. Seguin by supporting the Tejas Independence from Mexico ( the heros from ones are the traitors to anothers ...)

   Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna, abolished the Federation, signed the recognition of Tejas Independence while he was prisioners and by the suspicious way that he handled the militar campaing of 1846-1848.

   Miguel Miramon and Juan Almonte Nepomuceno ( son of Jose Maria Morelos ) by their alliance with the french to imposse a foreign emperor in Mexico.

   Victoriano Huerta, as the Minister of War betrayed to Pres. Madero in 1911 and leaded a coup d'etat , founded by the US. Madero and the Vicepresident were executed by Huerta's orders.



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  Quote Evildoer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Oct-2004 at 18:35

Didn't US attack Huerta afterwards under Woodrow Wilson? And then there was the ABC Powers Peace Treaty if I remember my American history correctly...

I hate Santa Anna... He fought so horribly against Texans.

Canada really dosn't have any famous traitors because it is not worth betraying! lol!

 

 

 



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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Oct-2004 at 18:41
Anton Mussert:
Anton Adriaan Mussert (11 May 1894-7 May 1946) was a leader of the Dutch National Socialistic government during the Second World War.

He was born in 1894 in Werkendam the province of Noord-Brabant in the Netherlands. In the 1920s he became active in several extreme right organizations such as the Dietsche Bond which advocated a Greater Netherlands including Flanders (Dutch-speaking Belgium). On 14 December 1931 he, Cornelis van Geelkerken and ten others founded the Nationaal-Socialistische Beweging (NSB) or in English National Socialist Movement. He was received by Pope Pius XI on 16 June 1936. Mussert met Hitler in November of 1936. During World War II he became the leader of the Dutch National Socialist government. An all-Dutch volunteer SS unit, the SS-Freiwilligen-Legion Niederlande was formed in 1941 by Mussert. He was arrested on 7 May 1945, tried for his collaboration in November, and executed for treason on 7 May 1946 in the Hague.


Another one may be Stadtholder William V. When he was overthrown in 1787 by democrats he asked his brother in law, the king of Prussia, to put him back into power.

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  Quote Evildoer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Oct-2004 at 18:47

What exactly is the title "Stadtholder"? Some sort of dictator?

Stadt = State. Holder = Holder? Thus - Stateholder?

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Oct-2004 at 18:56
Stadtholder is the English name for 'Stadhouder'. (Stad means city, not state)
During Burgundian and Spanish rule, stadhouders were appointed to several regions in the Low Countries. In 1572 King Philip II of Spain appointed William the Silent stadhouder of Holland, Zeeland and Utrecht. Later William the Silent revolted against Spain but he kept his title. Later he and his heirs also became stadhouder of Friesland, Groningen, Overijssel en Gelre. Officialy It was no hereditary title, but since William the Silent every stadhouder was succeeded by his son. (Exept William III, he died childless and was succeede by a cousin). William IV declared the stadhouder hereditary. In 1795 William V, the last stadhouder, fled to England after the French Invasion and the Batavic Revolution. When the French were driven out in 1814 his son became king William I.


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  Quote Kubrat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Oct-2004 at 19:09
I'd have to say Tzar Ferdinand, who got paid 20 million deutsche marks in order to put Bulgaria on the side of the Central Powers in WWI.

Another is the traitor that gave the gate key of Tzarevetz to the Ottoman, letting them take one of the last remaning strongholds of Midieval Bulgaria.  
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  Quote Jalisco Lancer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Oct-2004 at 10:00
Originally posted by Evildoer

Didn't US attack Huerta afterwards under Woodrow Wilson? And then there was the ABC Powers Peace Treaty if I remember my American history correctly...

I hate Santa Anna... He fought so horribly against Texans.

Canada really dosn't have any famous traitors because it is not worth betraying! lol!

 

Yes Evildoer, that was another ironic act.

 Huerta was backed by Henry Lane Wilson , the US Ambassador in Mexico ( nephew of Woodrow Wilson ). Then Huerta provided support to the british oil companies in detriment of the US companies. Washington complained to London about their involment on the US influence sphere. The british cut their support to Huerta. Then Huerta had approaches with Germany.

  The real reasson of the Tampico affair and the bombardment and occupation of Veracruz in 1917, was not due the imprissioment of drunken US marines, but to blockade the supply of weapons from Germany ships to Huerta's army.

   At that time, Pancho Villa was the best friend of the US in Mexico.Even, the Hollywood makers filmed Villa's movies.

 

 

 

 

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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Oct-2004 at 11:36

well I guess Benedict Arnold is th emost famous but he didnt have much of an effect as he was caught...

Guess that makes Jefferson Davis the biggest traitor dont it?

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  Quote Kalevipoeg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Oct-2004 at 11:53
I don't seem to find any traitors of Estonia, although the "Agreement of the bases" with the SU was rather suspicious and maybe we can find a traitor there someday.
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  Quote JanusRook Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Oct-2004 at 16:40

well I guess Benedict Arnold is th emost famous but he didnt have much of an effect as he was caught...

Benedict Arnold was a true hero of the revolutionary war, he was just getting shafted by the continental congress on pay.

 

I would have to say Aaron Burr is the worst traitor in the US. Not only did he kill Alexander Hamilton but here........

Conspiracy and trial

After the expiration of his term as Vice President on March 4, 1805, broken in fortune and virtually an exile from New York, where, as in New Jersey, he had been indicted for murder after the duel with Hamilton, Burr fled to Philadelphia. There he met Jonathan Dayton. Burr and Dayton together created a conspiracy, the goal of which is unclear. At its grandest, the plan may have been for Burr to make a massive new nation in the west, forged from conquered provinces of Mexico and the states west of the Appalachian Mountains. Burr was to have been the leader of this Southwestern republic.

General James Wilkinson, a conspirator, betrayed Burr's plans to the president, who issued a proclamation for Burr's arrest. Burr read this in a newspaper in the Orleans Territory on January 10, 1807. He turned himself in to the authorities, but soon jumped bail and fled for Spanish Florida; he was intercepted in Alabama on February 19, 1807.

Another member of the Burr conspiracy was the Anglo-Irish aristocrat Harman Blennerhassett. After marrying his niece, Blennerhasset had been forced out of Ireland. He came to live as a quasi-feudal lord on an island in the Ohio River. It was there that he met Burr and agreed to help finance the imperial ambitions of Burr's group.

(The objects of Burr's treasonable correspondence with Merry and Yrujo, the British and Spanish ministers at Washington, were, it would seem, to secure money and to conceal his real designs, which were probably to overthrow Spanish power in the Southwest, and perhaps to found an imperial dynasty in Mexico.)

Burr was arrested in 1807 on the charge of treason, was brought to trial before the United States circuit court at Richmond, Virginia. Burr was arraigned four times for treason before a grand jury. The fourth time, May 22, sufficient evidence was found to indict him. His trial, which was run by Chief Justice John Marshall, began August 3.

Due to lack of the constitutionally required two witnesses, Burr was acquitted on September 1, in spite of the fact that the political influence of the national administration was thrown against him. Immediately afterward he was tried on a charge of misdemeanor, and on a technicality was again acquitted.

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  Quote Evildoer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Oct-2004 at 18:42

Burr was a true scoundrel...

You might say Davis is a traitor, but he assumed the seat of President of Confederate States unwillingly, and prefomed horribly in that office. It might have been better for the Confederates had he not been president. Plus, although Confederate states were officially a nation, they were really a rag-tag union of independent states, since the very reason for their seccession was the right of state over the rights of the federal government. I'd rather say that the greatest traitor from Secession is the South Carolina governor who gave orders to fire on Fort Sumter.



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Hard to say. The communist leaders Trotsky and Lenin. Also Count Kaiser Wilhelm in it since even though he wasn't Russian he helped deliver Lenin in. Lenin and Trotsky led Russia through a backwards 70 year period after overthrowing a democracy, and they did it all to get rich not expecting to stay in power but pe put down by the Government forces and do some robbing of the rich.
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  Quote Genghis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Oct-2004 at 08:17

Benedict Arnold, Aaron Burr, Jane Fonda.

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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Oct-2004 at 15:32

Yes Benedict Arnold is a hero, but once you become a hero doesnt mean you stay that way.  He is still a traitor, even if he was relaly th eperson who won the battle of Saratoga.

But your right, Aaron Burr is probably the worst of them all, especially that he killed Hamilton, Im a HUGE Hamilton fan.

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  Quote Evildoer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Oct-2004 at 19:38
I hate hamilton. He promoted only the interests of the rich and was in allience with John Adams and his anti-French-Revolutionist, Pro-Brits.
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He was a visionary he knew that the key to the future was industrialization, and government promotion of business.
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  Quote Jagatai Khan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Oct-2004 at 10:37

In Turkey we can consider "erkez Ethem" as a traitor.(erkez means Circuassian)

When the independence war against Greeks began erkez Ethem was a guerilla and his men were fighting against Greek armies.But when systematic armies began to establish b y republicant government,he fight near Greeks against the Turkish.

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 Petain and those pathetic traitors like Ney (responsible for the defeat of Waterloo) and Bernadotte.

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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Nov-2004 at 11:00
yeah Petain is a world class traitor
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