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    Posted: 27-Aug-2004 at 12:55
No, the Soghdians were the sedentary Iranic people of Soghdiana (Samarkand, Bukhara and the such), the Sak were different from them.
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  Quote BattleGlory Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Aug-2004 at 16:28

Bear with me, I'm too lazy to go back and quote people here.

Samarkand was called by the Greeks during Alexander's time Marakanda, there is no doubt about this.  The Greeks basically always attempted to produce foreign names accurately when giving names to places.  Marakanda is the name that appears in the Greek texts and there's no reason to doubt its relative validity; it's not even remotely Greek sounding.  I honestly cannot see how some of you can see more similarity between SemizKent and Samarkand than Marakanda and Samarkand.  In addition, the Greeks reported Soghdians in the area (Alexander's generals had difficulty dealing with them and Bessos without Alexander helping), not Turks.  The Sakae were the Scyths, the Scythian language, IIRC, is related to the Persian language.

The Greeks didn't consider non-Greeks to be barbarians, but non-Greek speakers.  The word "barbaros" came about because all foreign languages sounded like to Greeks was "barbarbarbarbar."  The Romans adopted this word.  They, however, took an interesting turn with it.  A "barbarus" could be merely a foreigner or stranger or uncivilized.  Romans considered peoples that sported beards barbarians, which is where the Roman word for beard:  barba.  Ultimately, the English word "barber" is derived from barbarian

The Greeks considered the Persians to be descendents of Perseus, hence the corruption of Parsi/Farsi.

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Another theory for the Roman useage of "barbarian" says that it was used in the meaning of nomad, driving from the Berbers.
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  Quote Rava Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Aug-2004 at 09:59

Marakanda. The etnonym Mar and its variants appear in some tribes: Medes called Mar in Armenian sources, Mauryas in India, Merw called Maura, Amyrgians, Moor and Moravians in Europe. Perhaps one of 5 Kangju tribes gave this name to Marakanda? The Saka Amyrgians were the closest.

It's interesting that one of the Kangju tribes - Juni, sounds close to Xion - Chionites while we know that the Chionites forced Sogd from the North much later? 



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I don't have time to explore the thread, so I'll just post couple pf pictures to take the it out of the "forgotten zone", because if I lose is I won't be able to find it again.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/Samarqand_Bibi_Khanum_Mausoleum.jpg/240px-Samarqand_Bibi_Khanum_Mausoleum.jpg

http://www.galenfrysinger.com/asia/samarkand39.jpg

http://www.silkroadhotels.com/destinations/uzbekistan/samarkand.jpg
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