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    Posted: 19-Dec-2005 at 21:11

Originally posted by DukeC

The basic concept of Nash's Governing Dynamics is there is a equilibrium point in every relationship which can be determined. I don't see how I'm warping that. Your hawks and doves worlds are extremes that would only exist for a short period. Nature is much more complicated, which is my view.

Yes, it's when no side has an incentive to change the situation.  In the example I gave earlier the Nash equilibrium of that situation would be a world of hawks as there would be a huge disincentive to unilaterally becoming a dove, and even if there was, it would be an unstable situation as there would be a humongous incentive to cheat, as Ian Stewart, another mathematician involved in game theory stated, "sometimes the rational decisions aren't sensible".
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Originally posted by DukeC

Originally posted by Genghis

Originally posted by Jay.

Originally posted by tubo

America is the greatest country in the world.they have something called free speech which stupid brain dead communists cant understand.please stop comparing a terrorist communist state with great America.



Really? That's why most of the conflicts in the world involves the "greatest country in the world".. Greatest country, technology wise. Nothing eles.

Don't forget wealth and military power wise. All the things that really matter!

Military might is overrated. It does'nt do you any good if you don't know what you're fighting for or against.

Fighting for your county's power is fighting for something.
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Posts: 1564 		  Quote DukeC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Dec-2005 at 21:21
Originally posted by Genghis

Originally posted by DukeC

The basic concept of Nash's Governing Dynamics is there is a equilibrium point in every relationship which can be determined. I don't see how I'm warping that. Your hawks and doves worlds are extremes that would only exist for a short period. Nature is much more complicated, which is my view.

Yes, it's when no side has an incentive to change the situation.  In the example I gave earlier the Nash equilibrium of that situation would be a world of hawks as there would be a huge disincentive to unilaterally becoming a dove, and even if there was, it would be an unstable situation as there would be a humongous incentive to cheat, as Ian Stewart, another mathematician involved in game theory stated, "sometimes the rational decisions aren't sensible".

The whole idea behind finding an equilibrium in a dynamic system is you remove the inequalities that lead to conflict in the first place. It isn't about giving advantage to one party or another, it's about finding a compromise which is acceptable to all parties.

 
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That is not what a Nash equilbrium is, this is the definition from Gametheory.net:

A Nash equilibrium, named after John Nash, is a set of strategies, one for each player, such that no player has incentive to unilaterally change her action. Players are in equilibrium if a change in strategies by any one of them would lead that player to earn less than if she remained with her current strategy.
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Originally posted by DukeC

Originally posted by Genghis

Originally posted by Jay.

Originally posted by tubo

America is the greatest country in the world.they have something called free speech which stupid brain dead communists cant understand.please stop comparing a terrorist communist state with great America.



Really? That's why most of the conflicts in the world involves the "greatest country in the world".. Greatest country, technology wise. Nothing eles.

Don't forget wealth and military power wise. All the things that really matter!

Military might is overrated. It does'nt do you any good if you don't know what you're fighting for or against.

Duke:  It is better to have military might than not.  Your options are vastly increased.

 



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It is interesting to note the morphing of "America's Tibet" into Professor Nash's quite abstract theories.  Though applicable to economics, it seems doubtful that the equilibrium will prove of much worth in international politics....where logic is too often absent.  Too many human factors.

In any event, it is pretty rare for one academic theory to have application in more than one field.  Just as it is rare to find all that many people who can do more than one thing really well....as in some revolutionary original sense.

The movie was great, the acting was great; John Nash may have A Beautiful Mind, but he has been known to see things that are not there.
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i find it very strange that few chinese expats who should know better insists on supporting their mad communist masters.pathetic lol.....these  communists have done more damage to your chinese psyche than to us tibetans.see how you defend the mad mao brigade and forget that they have destroyed your chinese culture more thoroughly than any invader ever could.

see the the brainwashing effect on modern chinese youth.they have no sense of honor or pride.they have forgotten their history.they shamefully imitate everything west.chinese girls run after white guys and their family are proud of gwalio in the family.lol.we tibetans are proud of our past.we love western things but we dont believe ourselves to  be white man.

 

ps:America  is one of the the most generous nation in the history of the world.it is true that they were bit so gentle with ethnic minorities in the begining but the idea of equality and free speech were always there.America is beautiful.she is great.hehehehehehe

long live America.may she always the beacon of freedom to the oppressed people of the world.
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"In defiance of Lili'uokalani's proposed constitution, a group of American residents in Hawaii, including United States Government Minister John L. Stevens, conspired to overthrow the government of the Kingdom of Hawaii on January 13, 1893.Minister Stevens, without the authority of the U.S. government or Congress, summoned a company of uniformed U.S. Marines from the U.S.S. Bostonand two companies of U.S. sailors to land on the Kingdom and take up positions near the Iolani Palace to intimidate the monarch, Queen Lili'uokalani and her government."


<P align=justify>"On January 17, 1893, the Hawai'i government was illegally overthrown by a group of mostly American men living on the islands, with the backup of American troops that were on a warship docked in Honolulu Harbor. The men were pushing for annexation and were encouraged by then President Benjamin Harrison. At the time the ruler was Queen Lili'uokalani who gave up, under protest, in order to avoid bloodshed. That evening, Queen Lili'uokalani wrote these famous words/P]


Sound slike Tejas, California, Nuevo Mexico, Arizona, Utha, Colorado history to me
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