Most Significant Event in History from 1000 to 1500 C.E.

Originally posted by SuryaVajra Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising Before Leibniz and his calculus(probably not such a good idea to talk about Newton's shame here) the term calculus was loosely used to mean any branch of mathematics. However there are what is considered to be precursors to calculus are known to go right back to at least ancient Greece.   I'll cut to the core Alani The so called Greek miracles you allude to ,allegedly performed by the legendary Greeks like Euclid and Archimedes do not seem to stand the test of verification. The Greeks did not have the decimal system or the place value system . Without these , you cannot solve serious fractions . Infact the Greek numerals was even less sophisticated than the Roman numerals. Its horribly tedious to solve even a simple 367 x 24 with the Roman numerals. How then the Greek numerals. The Greeks, by common sense, wouldn't even  say the correct length of the year (365.256363004) Dont believe me? Try to think of how the Greeks would represent a fraction like 0.000030009. You need the place value system for that. Or how they solved a simple 0.0003/35 .They wouldn't even think  of such a thing Today any child can multiply the denominator and numerator by equivalent tens. All you need is the Vedic decimal system. And its not their fault. The alphabetical numerals completely besieged their capabilities . And you honestly believe Archimedes had a method of Exhaustion . Have you ever thought how thats possible with just alphabet like numbers ? Calculus is much about infinite series. It cannnot be conceived without atleast the decimal system(Madhava further invented a floating point system ,today used by computers ). The decimal system was understood and accepted in Europe only in the 17th century before which the Vatican held that the Indian numerals were demoniacal. Conclusion. 1. Greeks simply did not have the numerals for advanced Algebra, Trigonometry and Arithmetic.  2. No original manuscript or atleast their reliable copies or an oral tradition exists for any of the alleged Greek supermen(Pythagoras, Archimedes, Euclid etc) 3. No contemporaneous literature exists explicating or citing the work of these said personages. 4. Much of what the world believes about Greek Mathematics is a result of Eurocentric history writing that has been taking place since 1500s. Still not convinced? I have a stronger treatment of this if you wish.... Just see what historical text you can find to substantiate your statement.

SuryaVajra, you seem to be jumping the gun somewhat here. Did I actually make out in anyway that the Greeks you talk of, or anyone else, are some sort of supermen, or miracle workers? I am at a loss as to where such conclusions may have come from.What I had been trying to convey was that what we classify as calculus is the work of Leibniz, and everything before are precursors, which is to say not considered to have developed into what we would call calculus, or even developed enough to be considered advanced to that level. However, when considering precursors the level of sophistication does not make them none precursors.

I can't decided   Renaissance or Columbus. Columbus or Renaissance  Renaissance is not an event. It is something conceptually but discovering is not, so my vote goes to Columbus 

Edited by Ollios - 18-Jun-2013 at 21:32

Ummm, I have worked with many folks from Mexico.  There is an entire family, the Varga's, all look like they popped off a Mayan Stele.  You have to go farther than Mexico City to find others like them, but there are many.  It's the Nose.

are u serious  The Seljuk Empire get only 2 Votes  seljuks made greatest islamic empire in thier time islamic Civilizations was at it's peak do u know how many univarsitys they build do u know what wealth this brings to middle east ??? do you know the greatest islamic scholar was live and work at seljuks universities do u know alcohol discover in that era do u know so many books about politic medicine meth physician, alchemist and chemist, philosopher ..... written in that era which is a basic knowleg of todays universities

with out seljuks we wont see this events

The Italian Renaissance
Rise of the Ottoman Empire
The Crusades

i put some wiki page so u could know better the seljuks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Khaldun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fakhr_al-Din_Razi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Zakariya_al-Razi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nizam_al-Mulk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasir_al-Din_al-Tusi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avicenna
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umar_al-Khayyam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Farabi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Biruni

 seljuk era was greater than The Italian Renaissance ill give my Poll Choice to them in iran in every provence u could see so many seljuk buildings  they was great people

Yes, I have also seen the same! It is sometimes disconcerting to actually see them!

This is in response to an old post by RedClay, concerning Mayan profiles.

Ron

Edited by opuslola - 14-Jan-2014 at 17:49