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    Posted: 08-Mar-2005 at 19:12
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Tunisia is not. Libya is not. All North Africa does not have Berbers and most of it is Arab.


Talk to a Tunisian and they'll want to tell you they're French. They say things like "we have in France..." Quite amusing.




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  Quote Emile Boutros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Mar-2005 at 19:59


"Talk to a Tunisian and they'll want to tell you they're French. They say things like "we have in France..." Quite amusing."

I have spent lots of time in Tunisia with relatives and have many friends from there from secondary school and I have never heard of a Tunisian saying this. I have heard of Turks who say they are Westerners and Europeans and such however (especially when I was in Sweden) I am not sure if this is the popular sentiment however.

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  Quote Miller Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Mar-2005 at 20:04


I eat Sushi often, and used to study Japanese.  I hope that does not mean I have converted to being a Japanese without knowing



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  Quote Emile Boutros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Mar-2005 at 21:58
Japanese is closed society. Arabs are not. IF you live as an Arab, speak the Arabic language as native or mother tongue, identify with the Arab cause, you may be an Arab. Obviously it is hard for Westerners to understand this concept while their societies are racially closed and hierarchical.
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  Quote aknc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Mar-2005 at 13:53
Originally posted by Emile Boutros


"Talk to a Tunisian and they'll want to tell you they're French. They say things like "we have in France..." Quite amusing."

I have spent lots of time in Tunisia with relatives and have many friends from there from secondary school and I have never heard of a Tunisian saying this. I have heard of Turks who say they are Westerners and Europeans and such however (especially when I was in Sweden) I am not sure if this is the popular sentiment however.

The Turks are European.

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  Quote Emile Boutros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Mar-2005 at 17:13
Since when did the Turks who came from Central Asia and live in Asia become Europeans?
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  Quote ihsan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Mar-2005 at 11:25
The Turks of Turkey are Westernised Middle Easterners who came from Central Asia
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  Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Mar-2005 at 01:42

Originally posted by Emile Boutros

Since when did the Turks who came from Central Asia and live in Asia become Europeans?

since Ataturk said so

 

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  Quote ihsan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Mar-2005 at 16:42
No, since the Paris Peace Conference of 1857. According to this treaty, the Ottoman Empire was a member of the System of European Nations.
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