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    Posted: 08-Dec-2005 at 21:18
http://www.jewishexponent.com/ViewAr...asp?ArtID=1756

A must read piece and the best article I have red regarding Iran's nuclear ambitions.
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50 bucks Israel bombs Iran's nuclear plants. Any takers?

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100 bucks America won't let it.

But I am getting increasingly concerned with this doughnut, Ahmaghinezhad as president.  Even though he is not Commander in Chief, he has a lot of sway in the revolutionary guards.  Also the crap he was talking about that happened at the UN, when one of his ass lickers said that when he was speaking he had a halo around him.  He now thinks he is the goddamn Mahdi.

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50 bucks say Israel will ask for help from Turkey against Iran and Syria

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read between the lines Israel


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Originally posted by Illuminati

50 bucks Israel bombs Iran's nuclear plants. Any takers?

I'd take you up on that, but then I'd just lose $50.



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Israel cannot reach the Iranian nuclear facilities by itself. They're too far away, well protected and dispersed. Not to mention the international implications of such an action...
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  Quote Illuminati Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Dec-2005 at 14:42
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Israel cannot reach the Iranian nuclear facilities by itself. They're too far away, well protected and dispersed. Not to mention the international implications of such an action...


That incorrect. Israel Has one fo the most professional air force's in the entire world, and arguably the best pilots. And msot importantly.....American jets which they ahve made improvements to. They could bomb those plants and be out in no time. Distance doesn't matter anymore. Ever heard of mid-air refueling?? Iran really isnt that far away. Iranian air defense isn't on par with the Israeli air force.

Don't think the Israelis haven't been practicing for years to do this exact mission.


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  Quote Illuminati Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Dec-2005 at 14:48
Originally posted by Zagros

100 bucks America won't let it.

But I am getting increasingly concerned with this doughnut, Ahmaghinezhad as president.  Even though he is not Commander in Chief, he has a lot of sway in the revolutionary guards.  Also the crap he was talking about that happened at the UN, when one of his ass lickers said that when he was speaking he had a halo around him.  He now thinks he is the goddamn Mahdi.



As of now, I would say you are spot on. America is holding israel back. But israel has a history of not caring what the world thinks when it comes to their self defense. Iran has shown no signs of halting their program. Israel's worse nightmare is a nuclear Iran, especially with a nut like Ahmaghinezhad in power. Sooner or later I believe that Israel will act. America can't hold them back forever. And Bush doesn't have the political support in the US to attack anyone else.

IMO, I don't want Israel buggin the US to bomb the plants for them. If Israel wants those plants gone, they can do it themselves.


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  Quote Yiannis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Dec-2005 at 15:20

Originally posted by Illuminati

That incorrect. Israel Has one fo the most professional air force's in the entire world, and arguably the best pilots. And msot importantly.....American jets which they ahve made improvements to. They could bomb those plants and be out in no time. Distance doesn't matter anymore. Ever heard of mid-air refueling?? Iran really isnt that far away. Iranian air defense isn't on par with the Israeli air force.

Not according to the analysts http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/week/040812.htm

Iraq, Turkey or Saudi Arabia have to permit the Israeli jets to use their air space. They won't likely give permission, given the concequences they could face.

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  Quote Genghis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Dec-2005 at 15:34

Originally posted by Yiannis

Israel cannot reach the Iranian nuclear facilities by itself. They're too far away, well protected and dispersed. Not to mention the international implications of such an action...

With aircraft refueling I think they can, a while back they bombed Tunisia if I'm not mistaken.  The question is not capability but whether they are allowed to.

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  Quote pikeshot1600 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Dec-2005 at 17:17
Originally posted by Yiannis

Originally posted by Illuminati

That incorrect. Israel Has one fo the most professional air force's in the entire world, and arguably the best pilots. And msot importantly.....American jets which they ahve made improvements to. They could bomb those plants and be out in no time. Distance doesn't matter anymore. Ever heard of mid-air refueling?? Iran really isnt that far away. Iranian air defense isn't on par with the Israeli air force.

Not according to the analysts http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/week/040812.htm

Iraq, Turkey or Saudi Arabia have to permit the Israeli jets to use their air space. They won't likely give permission, given the concequences they could face.

If at some time they feel threatened by Iran (and who wouldn't given their wacko leadership?), I don't think Turkey would have that big a problem with it.  Europe obviously doesn't want Turkey in the EU club, so they don't have much political capital to lose there.  And although NATO will continue to exist, I doubt that it will be all that important in the near future.  Turkey's strategic orientation has changed.

Given the incredible importance of their geographic location, the U.S. will support Turkey as they look elsewhere for partners in the new century.  It is not out of the question that there can be a confluence of strategic realities bringing together countermeasures to a dangerous regime's nuclear threat.

Israel has the motivation and the morale.

The U.S. has the bunker busting munitions that would be necessary, and could "lease" heavier aircraft to Israel.  Incirlik would be a well equipped forward base.

Turkey could either turn a blind eye or profess deniability, or both to be rid of a potentially catastrophic threat.

Remember, once the schmucks of the Iranian regime get a nuclear capability, all bets are off...that is when the probability of regional nuclear blackmail can overwhelm the non-nuclear powers of the region, and then it will be much, much, much more difficult to counter.

 



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 Isreal has a limited  long range airstrike capability, her plans, as far as i have read, for a strike only invloves 6 targets. So yes it can bomb a site like it did in Iraq and Tunisia or even a handful of sites, but it cant sustain or expand it to any credible way. Iran's facilities are well spread out and far away which;  impacts the amount of weapons Isreal can carry per aircraft, increases the amount of aircraft per mission (support and escort) while also meaning they can only get very limited goes to hit each target and are vulnerable in air-combat if intercepted considering fuel.

Its not an easy desicion on a military level at all, and then you have to think of the politics.

Iran saw what happened in Iraq and learned.


Isreali aircraft that have what it takes:
Now, Isreal has 25 F15I with a capability to do the strikes
The new F16I Sufa are only getting delivered now, so they wont be at full strength for a total of 102.



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