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    Posted: 05-Dec-2005 at 12:39
taking it GLOBAL
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From a global perspective, the most historical significant event to have occured in Sarajevo - perhaps in the whole of Bosnia and Herzegovina - happened on June 28, 1914.

It was a typical early summer day in Sarajevo - blistering hot with skies as clear as you've ever seen. As it was St. Vitus day, Orthodox Christians in the city were enjoying festivities commemorating the 1389 defeat of Serbia and Montenegro by the Ottoman Empire. The festivities also attracted large numbers of Bosniaks and Bosnian Croats, most of whom were still bitterly dissapointed that Bosnia and Herzegovina had not been granted independence and was instead shuffled from one Empire to the next.

Due to an unwise decision whose makers must surely have realized the significance of June 28, the Austrian Archduke and his pregnant wife Sofia were touring Sarajevo to celebrate their 14th wedding anniversary. They knew Bosnia and Herzegovina would be a largely hostile place but they also knew, rightly, that Bosnian aristocracy would be stumbling over thereselves to kiss the hand that feeds.

Elsewhere in the city, a group of Bosnian youth - including Orthodox Christian Serbs, Catholic Croats, and Muslims - were excitedly working on their plan to assassinate the Archduke. They spread out across the city - some with bombs, some with guns - to wait for their chance.



When the Archduke and his wife headed for Sarajevo's City Hall (foreground), they headed down the Obala Kulina Bana from Latinluk, the Christian district of Sarajevo (yellow arrow). Along there way one of the Muslims in the group of Bosnian youth assassins tossed a bomb at the motorcade, but missed.

The Archduke and his wife were hurried along in their carriage to City Hall, where they met with Bosnian leaders, and then turned around to head back the way they came.

Once they were back in Latinluk, they turned to enter the street off Latin bridge, not realizing it was the wrong way. As the driver tried to back up the carriage, Gavrilo Princip - a young Bosnian Serb whose journals revealed he dreamed of a united state for all South Slavs - took his chance.



The shots made little noise and the car sped off. Potiorek looked at the couple and, at first, thought that they were unhurt. In actuality, the Archduke had been hit in the neck and Sophie in the stomach. The Archduke opened his mouth and a stream of blood poured out. Sophie cried:

"For heaven's sake, what's happened to you?"

She was in shock and unaware that she too had been shot. She then lost consciousness. Franz Ferdinand turned to his wife with the words:

"Sophie dear, Sophie dear, don't die. Stay alive for our children."

He then keeled over whispering:

"Es ist nichts, Es ist nichts..." (It is nothing, It is nothing...)

They were both dead by 11:30 that morning.

Crowds gathered along the Obala Kulina Bana, looking at the place where the couple had been shot. Still today interested tourists visit the bridge and look out across the same view of Sarajevo that was the last Franz Ferdinand and Sofia ever saw.





It later came to light that Gavrilo Princip had been trained and armed by an organization operating out of Belgrade, the capital of Serbia. Although his journals clearly stated he was not interested in a Greater Serbia and was acting on behalf of all the South Slav peoples, the Austrian authorities held Serbia solely accountable for the murders.

Even when it was proven the Serbian government knew nothing of the plot to the assassinate the Archduke and his wife, Austria declared war. Europe broke apart along allied lines and within a few months the Great War - the largest and most devastating war the world had ever seen - began.

On that quiet streetcorner, in that quiet neighborhood in Sarajevo - a shot was fired that was heard around the world.
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  Quote AlbinoAlien Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Dec-2005 at 15:43
ahh!! thats so sad. when we hear of all of these assasinations in history we never really realise that those people had loved ones that they too touched. i think the archudke was completely innocent and so was his wife, so shame on you black hand terrorists!

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  Quote Socrates Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Dec-2005 at 04:10
A Bosniak was a part of the plot,too.As for the dreams of unification of all south Slavs...we Serbs have always been masohistic about that-no one wanted it except us(most Croats certainly didn't).In 1915 we were offered by our allies a rather large therritory-including significant parts of Bosnia and Croatia,but the south Slav state idea prevaled-so after WWI all the horrors Croats and Slovenes did(in Macva mainly)as a part of Austro-Hungaria(soldier Broz among them) were quickly pushed under a rug,for the sake of 'brotherhood'.Interestingly,in 1902 there were massive anti-Serbian demonstrations in Croatia-leader being half-Serbian himself.Similar thing happened in 1945-very few got punished for their bestialities.Draza Mihajlovic-leader of chetniks was killed under Tito's orders as a ''fascist''-although his head was on large bounty by the Nazi's,just like Tito's.He received a medal from the US as a sign of appreciation for saving numerous US and UK pilots-and another one(also by US)in 2005-given to his offsprings.Many of u didn't know there was chetniks in Slovenia.too(ethnic Slovenes).And by no means think of chetniks as a 'Serbian versions of Ustasha'-beyond comparing.Yes,there were some chetnik rebels who did crimes-but they did it after their own inclinations,not after Mihajlovic's orders.Funny-Tito's house stood untouched during the war,while the house of Rankovic(prominent serbian communist who fought Germans) was destroyed by the Germans...makes u wonder...
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  Quote gcle2003 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Dec-2005 at 07:46

I guess for my own native city, Southampton, the most important date is August 15, 1620, when the Mayflower sailed for America, carrying the Pilgrim Fathers. (It is of course true she called in at Plymouth en route.)

Southampton was also the key focal point for the D-Day operation, but it involved rather more than just the city.

(And then of course there's winning the FA Cup in 1976....)

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  Quote ill_teknique Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Dec-2005 at 12:40
from what i learned after hours upon hours of reading and research

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jugoslavija = demise of bosnian identity
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  Quote Mila Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Dec-2005 at 10:28
Wrong thread, Teknique?

Well, I wouldn't go that far. When Catholics and Orthodox Christians in Bosnia and Herzegovina started referring to themselves as Croats and Serbs.

"Ethnic identity became important only in the mid-19th century, when nation-states centered on common ethnicities and religions began to emerge in the Balkans. Then, in Bosnia, if you were Catholic, you were automatically assumed to be a Croat, said Fine. If you were Eastern Orthodox, you were a Serb. This was the first time the labels Serb and Croat were used in Bosnia.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/kosovo/900.html

Bosnian Muslims were forced to choose - Croat, Serb, or something else? This went on for quite some time. Many famous Bosniaks switched between three or four national labels before finally settling on one.

The development of a specifically Islamic Bosnian identity started at the same time as Bosnian Catholics and Orthodox Christians started developing their own Bosnian Croat and Bosnian Serb identities. The only thing that made our journey harder is that we didn't have a similar identity already named right on our doorstep.

The term Bosniak, brought back from King Tvrtko's time, was revived twice - once in the 1830s and one in the 1920s, but failed to truly take hold beyond the aristocracy both times. Most people still used 'Bosanac' (Bosnian).

When the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes dropped "Bosnian" qualification for Croats and Serbs in Bosnia, it became more desperate. A vast majority of Bosniaks always declared themselves "nationality undeclared" on the censuses and fought, and fought hard, for the recognition of a uniquely Bosnian identity that included all peoples of Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Nationalism on all sides, but in this case we can safely say especially among Croats and Bosnian Croats, made sure the term would only be used for Muslims. Finally Tito recognized Muslims and separate nationality, which included not only Bosnians but also Sandzaklije.

Bosnians - who view Sandzaklije in the same derogitory way that Croatians view Bosnian Croats and Serbians view Bosnian Serbs - didn't want them in the same group as us, and so the push for something more specific continued.

In the years leading up to the war, Bosniak was reintroduced by Bosniak nationalists and it took hold but, for the most part, the wider population wanted to use it to include all Bosnians. The old King Tvrtko flag was revived as a symbol of this - a Bogumil/nominally Roman Catholic King. But it didn't take. They wanted to be Croatian or Serbian.

So I wouldn't say Yugoslavia was the demise of Bosnian identity. It in fact became stronger and more important during Yugoslavia, beginning in the 1800s, among those who wanted to preserve it.


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  Quote Socrates Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Dec-2005 at 04:09

Jebes zemlju koja Bosne nema-wash your mouth with soap!!It's not very lady-like...

 

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  Quote flyingzone Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Dec-2005 at 08:51
For those of you interested in the idea of the creation of "ethnic identities", you should go to the thread entitled "Nations: Imagined Communities" (Intellectual Discussion). That's exactly what that thread talks about.
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