Being Muslim the Bosniak Way

Originally posted by Mila There's no concensus as to what being Muslim in the Balkans means so everyone, everywhere, is more or less free to decide for themselves which ethnicity they belong to. You can choose Albanian, Bosniak, Gorani, Montenegrin, Serb, Croat, Turk - whatever you want.

No, no. I just mean the lines aren't very clear.

Arber, what did you mean bosnia is middle eastern country?

By location, bosnia is in the balkan, south-eastern europe... By tradition, by genetics, by culture it belongs to their area in south eastern europe, and by religion it's the sons of "abrahams" dominating there, the christian orthodox, catholics and muslims. I hope that made sense to you...

Originally posted by Zmaj Originally posted by violentjack Bosniak population is around 8 or 9 million Only in Albania there is some 50 000 Bosniaks,but most declare themself as other or Albanian from pressure,but when census is done they are still Bosniak.Some 80% ,rest consider themself as Bosniak.There is town in Albania with some 20 000 people,more then third of people consider themself Bosniaks,but with pressure and some respect,for host Albanians,declare themself as Albanians There is also town called Debar in Macedonia,where Macedonians dont count Bosniaks,but just put Gorani or Torbeshi,though those people dont feel like that Btw also don't forget our Bosniaks brothers from Kosova (Bosniaks, but not Goranci/Gorani) which live in central, western and soutern Kosovo. Due to Albanian being majority, and that Slavs generally in Kosova were associated with "Christian Orthodoxy" by the majority of Albanians, many Bosniaks have adopted Albanians identity while at the same time conserving the fact of their Bosniak origin. Today you can find in more than 20% of Kosovari Albanians surname to be of Bosniaks/Slavic name and which was modified to become more Albanian like. Official figures of Gorani (Muslim Slavs) of Kosova is 20,000 while unofficial put them at 50,000 with more than 30,000 having adopted the majority "Albanian" identity, since it's only the religion that unites the majority of Kosovari Albanians, with the Bosniaks and Goranci there.

You are very wrong in Kosova live 47.000 Bosnians but not in Albania 50.000 lool this is hilarous
In Fyrom Macedonia live 17.000 Bosnians exp. 14.000 live in Skopje/Shkupi

what 20%? hahahaha loool not 90% gagaga
this is total crap...so where is evidence?

Bosniak population is 3.1 milions (not 9 milions ) when 1.8 live in Bosnia.

You forget that today much of bosnians have albanian ancestors (from Montenegro and Sanxhak after 60% have albanian origin) also in Bosnia have much Bosnian of albanian Descent......you have much today Bosnians when has albanian surnames like Shkreli, Krashniqi, Gashi, Dulaj,Hoti ect.

In Sanxhak all albos have been assimilated and Montenegro is going same


Edited by GoldenBlood - 21-Jun-2006 at 13:11

Gorani speak Serbian and specifically Torlakian dialect...

The only Gorani I know live in the Prespa region and they speak a Bulgarian dialect, they consider themselves "Macedonians"
    

some 700-1000 bosnians in albania. There is no pressure here, everybody can claim its national background.

At the turn of the century(20th) I remember reading about a bunch of Herzegovacs(likely muslims) escaping into northern Albania from a blood feud. The vast vast majority have been assimilated. There are no 33% Bosniaks in any village. At best youll find a few scattered ones here and there around the major cities, but they are modern immigrants, refugees from the war who settled in Albania. They are probably around 600.

Edited by Theodore Felix - 21-Jun-2006 at 14:17

No, real census was boycotted by Albanians in Kosovo 1991, and it give predictions that Muslims are around 58 000 in Kosovo.Considering their enormous birth rate,especially in Prizren and sorounding area, number of Bosniaks in Kosovo, now this is estimation from 1981 census is adlist 100 000 in Kosovo.


Bosniaks were rulers of Albanian northern principality.Feudal clan in Eastern Herzegovina Bey in origin, that later stretched all the way till Skadar or Skhodra were Busatlici(After 1912) and Zog rule of Albanians, they made it short into Bushat(Assimilated)

For they had lands from Skadar to Bayram Curi, in present day Albania

Bosniaks in Albanian do number some 50 000!
What is strange my friend?
Did i say 500 000?
No i said 50 000, and i even gave you linik, unfortunately its in Bosnian(Slavic Language) which yuou probably wont understand about Bosniak diaspora in Albania,all villages populated by them, towns and area where they settled

Goranci excluded, i never counted them as Bosniaks, live in Dragas part of todays Gora county,Opolje is ethnic Albanians

They speak mix of Vlach,Bulgarian and Slavic and call it Nasinski jezik(Our language)

Substantial number even has Bulgarian passports, some live in Sofia, some in Belgrade and some do declare themself as Bosniak.One third of todays Goranis declare themself as Bosniak.

Maybe its wrong, but concept of ethnic ALbanian nation was to unify all Islamic people and assimilate them into Albanians, under pretense of religion, rather then nation, which Albanians care so much.

From mid 60 till present day on one such example villagers of Musnikovo near Prizren were tested.Though all in village of 4000+ consider themself Albanians, they still say they speak Bosnian language.This is blatant and obvious act of discrimination and false pretense of religion, that Albanisn tried and are stil trying to do over ethnic Turks and Bosniaks in Kosovo and Macedonia.

Next census mark my word more Bosniaks will certainly pop amonsgt Macedonians and Albanians in Macedonia,as some will declare themself freely and not under pressure, which they suffered for so long.

Yes, i must be ''moron'', but you still didnt learn how to write.

Case closed, discussion is open with people, that actually know something, unlike you

Hvala Zmaj, I agree almost totally with your post. But lets leave this discussion, apparently it degenerated in something else. Lets wait for some census or I dont know what (like we dont already know who we are). I am curious about one thing, I am an agnostic, but I dont understand how one who calls himself a muslim uses a violent nick, talks about violence, and is intollerant to other opinions. I am of a muslim descent (formally), and I have read the Kur'an (in albanian, for I dont understand arabian), probably I might be against the monotheistic religions, but still, Islam is not related to agressivity, intollerance and violence (if not fundamentalistic Al Qaeda stuff). Milosevic was serbian, and for his cruelty we often blame Serbia. But apparently our balkan states are able to provide every year hundreds of miniMilosevics, who are always there, ready to explode in unjustified violence.

GoldenBlood

Originally posted by Zmaj   Exactly, that's how the vast majority of non-Muslim and due to misunderstanding of Islam or associating what the media mainly report about islam (and which are muslims themselves distorting the image of islam) fall in the trap of associoating muslims with intolerance, hatred and violence. You have muslims who happen to be extreme fanatics and terrorists and intollerants. But really this is a tiny minority despised by the majority of muslims in MOST countries (of course you also have countries themselves who through associating their cultural pre-islamic ideologies with islam and which create a certain sort of islamic sect based on violence and intolerence. I won't mention who... but you probably guessed it. I believe there is also a vast majority of Muslims who Islam is simply a mere religious and cultural association, in that it doesn't interfere with any of their daily life, and it only starts at home and end at home.   I guess this thread greatly deviated from its original thread.   flm arber.

Edited by Master_Blaster - 02-Jul-2006 at 18:00