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    Posted: 31-Oct-2004 at 15:11
Originally posted by Paul

In the twentieth century they crushed the British army at Gallipoli.

While Italy overcame Turkey in the 1911 war, so, if it was a tournment it would be

1. Italy

2. Turkey

3. UK

 

 (sorry, I know it's childish, but I could not resist)

However, still in the 20th century, UK won Italy on the WWII ground . . . so, what? (for your information and curiosity, in Mathematics it's called "Condorcet effect" when A>B, B>C and C>A, so that no ranking can be deduced).

Point is, you cannot say for sure what would happen in a war. Let's just hope no war will be fought



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so, what? (for your information and curiosity, in Mathematics it's called "Condorcet effect" when A>B, B>C and C>A, so that no ranking can be deduced).


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As long as Turkey has former Constantinople, it's in Europe and Asia.

And Germany has better ties to the US than any other European nation (excluding Britian, duh), arguably about as much as Canada. Ramstein Military Base, anyone?

On that tank note, I'd say Israel has more tanks than any of us.

It also seems unlikely that any European nation would attack another any time soon. Everything is so perfectly balanced that Europe would be torn in half and the side the US picked would clean house. I'll put $20 on the US, Britian, Germany, and America Junior being able to take any six or seven other European nations.


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I think in this discussion we're forgetting one European country...

Guess which one?
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Or maybe San Marino, Sweden fought them for 400 years and still couldn't beat them.


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No, we forgot Poland 
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So no modern European war is possible.....................

 

We'll, once upon a time there used to be a country in Europe called ..... Yugoslavia......
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Originally posted by MixcoatlToltecahtecuhtli

No, we forgot Poland 

 

Let me quote Jon Stewart, when he was talking to Bush.

"Your second is POLAND?!"

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Originally posted by Paul

So no modern European war is possible.....................

We'll, once upon a time there used to be a country in Europe called ..... Yugoslavia......

 

Good point. I'd would change that proposition this way: "No modern war is possible between two approx. equally powerful major European power or groups of them"
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The war in Yugoslavia was a civil war. Before the Yugoslavian war there weren't Croatian, Bosniac or Serb armies. 
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Originally posted by MixcoatlToltecahtecuhtli

The war in Yugoslavia was a civil war. Before the Yugoslavian war there weren't Croatian, Bosniac or Serb armies. 

I think, after you do a little research, you might want to change the last part of your statement.

In the past 100 years, there has been war after war, conflict after conflict on Balkan. Those conflicts are old - so feel free to go 200 or 300 years back and you'll find the same pattern.

Remember, Yugoslavia was an "artificial" construction, created in an attempt to put a lid on those conflicts. When the strong leader Tito was gone - they started to fight all over again.
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where do yuo guys get these sources just curious, i mean these ranking of which country has the biggest army and such?
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Originally posted by Serge L

Originally posted by Paul

In the twentieth century they crushed the British army at Gallipoli.

While Italy overcame Turkey in the 1911 war, so, if it was a tournment it would be

1. Italy

2. Turkey

3. UK

 

 (sorry, I know it's childish, but I could not resist)

However, still in the 20th century, UK won Italy on the WWII ground . . . so, what? (for your information and curiosity, in Mathematics it's called "Condorcet effect" when A>B, B>C and C>A, so that no ranking can be deduced).

Point is, you cannot say for sure what would happen in a war. Let's just hope no war will be fought

And the British defeated Italian troops in North Africa so easily during the second world war.

also even the greeks beated italy.

about the Tripoli War,OE could even challange Italy without naval forces.And if balcan wars had never started,who knows what would have happened...

so for me in a tournament sorry but  it would be:

1-Turkiye 2-England 3-Italy.
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Originally posted by Sarmata

where do yuo guys get these sources just curious, i mean these ranking of which country has the biggest army and such?

IISS Military Balance.=International Institute for Strategic Studie

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Originally posted by TheDiplomat

so for me in a tournament sorry but  it would be:

1-Turkiye 2-England 3-Italy.

 

What? You dare to challenge two among the few EU countries that endorse Turkey bid to the Union?  

Or maybe you are one of those Turks who would prefer his country to stay outside?

Originally posted by TheDiplomat

Originally posted by Sarmata

where do yuo guys get these sources just curious, i mean these ranking of which country has the biggest army and such?

IISS Military Balance.=International Institute for Strategic Studie

Did you really pay 135$ to read that mountain of military statistics?
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Hello!

My votes will go as follows:

Economically:

1. Britain

2. Germany

3. France

4. Netherlands

5. Norway

Military:

1. Britain

2. France

3. Germany

4. Spain

5. Poland

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I'm lost, since when did Britain's economy overtake Germany's? As far as I remember, Germany is still Europe's largest economic power, with Britain being second. And there's no way that Netherlands and Norway are 4th and 5th.

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Largest GDP's in Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_economies_by_GDP):
1 Germany
2 United Kingdom
3 France
4 Italy
5 Spain
6 Netherlands
7 Russia
8 Switzerland
9 Belgium
10 Sweden
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Nov-2004 at 16:28

You are all talking about who would win in a war.

The sad truth is that if there was another serious major war then it would be a nuclear one. And since Britain and France are the only two European nations to possess nuclear weapons, they are the two most powerful countries in Europe.

 
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