1000th execution in the USA

banning guns in America won't change anything. Those who decide to kill someone will do so, even if they had no guns, they'll bash the persons head with a bat.

And guns dont kill people, Death kills people!!!! its a proven medical fact!!!!!

Originally posted by Komnenos What still needs to be explained by our American friends who so eloquently defend the capital punishment in their country, is why all the other states that still practise the death penalty and have similar large rates of annual executions, are states that, to put it mildly, are not exactly known for their democratic and liberal political systems.  citizens?  .

i am not your american friend ,but it seems to be obviously ,cause  the usa has changed from a democratic country to an state that is ruled by an obscure goverment of political fundamentalists and bible bushers.

1000 is not a lot,especially since I can firmly believe more than 1000 people were murdered in 29 years.However,justly,I do not approve of the US Punishment System,simply because I don't approve of the Legal System.Someone who has money and is not innocent could easily overshadow the poor,but innocent victim.Of course,there is the racial issue,and lower-income minorities are more prone to crime than their higher-income neighbors(which mostly includes Caucasians).The US claims to have a fair Legal System,but it has so many flaws,just like everything else it claims to "be" and "have",its impossble to accurately count the statistics.

Originally posted by Constantine XI Originally posted by Vamun Tianshu However,justly,I do not approve of the US Punishment System,simply because I don't approve of the Legal System.Someone who has money and is not innocent could easily overshadow the poor,but innocent victim Someone mention OJ ........?

Someone mention Michael Jackson?

Money and celebrity work wonders.

 

 

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I support the death penalty in principle. I'm divided somewhat because you can make mistakes. In any event in my perfect world crimes such as sexual assault and murder would demand capitol punishment. Once you take the life of a person, why do you deserve to retain your own?

When I hear about good people being murdered in cold blood because they were at the wrong place at the wrong time, i think the offender should be executed. When some @$$ hole breaks into somebody�s house and slaughters the who family for some cheap thrill, i think they should be executed.

It has been proven that the death penalty is not a deterrent�It doesn�t matter to me. The death penalty is a form of punishment in my opinion.

I wonder, those of you who opposed to the death penalty. Do you oppose it in all circumstances?

What about treason during wartime?

Or what of class A war criminals?

 

I also wonder, will Milosevic be executed?

Helo.

I would like to suggest that a topic about guns (should they be permited or not?) should be created. more  than once I saw a topic go off topic to the discussion of guns...

I think it is funny how people who are often against the death penalty, even for a rapist who has brutally raped and tortured his victim, are often pro abortion or support the murder of innocent babies and call it a choice.
Getting back to the subject- I only support the death penalty in real extreme cases based on the circumstances.

I agree with Supergoat, but we should create another thread but you attitude is common among many Europeans. At this point if they tried to ban guns it could explode into revolt, many people feel that strong about the 2nd amendment. Especially in the area I live in and most of the Pacific NW. I will start that thread and see what springs forth!!

First: Many kills by guns are accidents (somebody pointed out that many of these cases occur within the family structures). If these guns were not around, these accidents would probably not occur.

Second: Many people get killed by guns because it's easier to take a life by pulling on a trigger that using a baseball bat as you say, or a knife or whatever...

Thrid: having a gun is to be a coward, it only means you are afraid of your neighbour...

I wrote an extensive paper on the death penalty back in high school and one of the things that i remember is that crime and especially murder in the states that enforce it is considerably higher than the states that do not.

However prison sentences are so long in the U.S. (double to those in Europe) that death is probably more desirable than a life of suffering and eating all the  garbage food in U.S. prisons. Plus, believe it or not the whole process of a death penalty costs much more than a lifetime of prison for an inmate!

American lifestyle has created its own problems as far as the rate of crime is concerned. These people are not always born rapists, murderers, kidnappers etc. They are driven to these extremes because they are simply rejected and not given a chance by the fiercely individualist American society.

Originally posted by Loknar Thrid: having a gun is to be a coward, it only means you are afraid of your neighbour... Cheers. Ok that�s fine. When some guys break into your house with baseball bats and you have a little butter knife with which to defend your self with, I'm sure it will all work out.......as they club you and tie up your wife and do every disgusting act they can think of to her. You are naive. You do not know what its like to live in America. Our society has allot of problems (I admit it) and as a result there are allot of crazy b****** around. If you live in Sweden, you live among 8 million people or so. I live in a city with 1/3 of your whole population. Do you know you are not supposed to hitchhike or are supposed to pick up hitchhikers? DO you know that you do not go into certain places in your city after dark?

If you can come up with one example of a case occuring in a country which has strict gun regulation, where people broke into a house with baseball bats and raped a woman, I would sure like to hear it...

As for your population argument, let's compare Japan and the US: Japan has a crime rate of 1.47 per 100,000 population. Comparable US and British figures are 7.92 and 3.24. Armed robbery is at 1.82, compared with a US figure of 205.38 and 50.02 in Britain. Japan by the way, has almost half of the US population, constricted in a country almost 30 times smaller. Britain has a population that's 4-5 times smaller, and a country 40 times smaller.

Many social problems are partly related to poor gun control. A gun gives a criminal a sense of power and will push him to do things he wouldn't have dreamed of otherwise. It is much much harder psychologically to beat someone to death with a baseball bat, than to pull a trigger. When people have guns, there is a vicious circle created where the perception is that the only way to protect yourself is to have a gun, which will ensure that any self-respective criminal will have a gun, etc. 

Sure, people can die in many ways. And yes, there will be people willing to kill someone with a baseball bat. But that doesn't mean that they should have access to a gun, which is an even more deadly weapon. I think that while some people are capable of murdering someone regardless of the circumstances, most murderers would have a much harder time killing someone if guns weren't involved. If you think about it, most people who end up murdering someone, don't do it because they're crazy and they just want to kill. They are usually after some sort of gain, typically a robbery, and they kill people in the heat of the moment
(the victim fights back, they panic, etc.). Without a gun, many of these deaths would be averted. I advise you to do some research. You'll find that most crimes are done with guns bought legally (at least initially), not on the black market.

Why do you assume that I don't know what life is like in the US? You don't know anything about me. I may have lived in the US, for all you know. You ask me if I would risk my life on my claim that it's harder to kill without a gun. Well, for your information, I was once mugged by three men who had bats, chains and a knife. I simply remained calm, just gave them my money, and the worst I got out of it was a punch on the chin. If they had guns, things might have turned out differently, I don't know. I do think that the odds of me dying at that moment would have been much greater if they had guns. Let's pretend I had a gun, and I would have shot one of them? Perhaps I would have killed one of them, or maybe they would have gotten me first. In any case, the situation would have escalated and things could have turned out much worse for me or for them.

You tell me that I'm naive, yet you make some naive assumptions as well. You talk about protecting yourself from "armed thugs", so you want to level the field, by ensuring that you, as well as they, have a gun. I'm talking about neither of you having a gun. Level playing field again, but less dangerous. And the thing is, why should you have to protect yourself? The days of the Wild West are gone. There  are laws and it's not up to every Joe Blow to enforce them; it is the police who should do that for you. You also talk as if in America, there are simply that many more crazies running around than in other places. Did you ever ask yourself why?

Your attitude is exactly my point: there is a perception in the US that it the world is a very dangerous place, that armed criminals are out to get you, and that the only way to protect yourself is to have a gun. This in turn ensures that the would-be criminals out there have to get themselves a gun, or they wouldn't be very succesful criminals now, would they? And this reinforces the perception, creating a vicious circle. 

 

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