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    Posted: 27-Sep-2004 at 16:01

Originally posted by MixcoatlToltecahtecuhtli

The Mayans didn't have an empire. They lived in city states (much like Ancient Greece). However, the Mayans  may be one of the longest-lasting cultures.

The Olmecs probably was en empire, but it existed only 400 years (about 1200-800 BC).

Teotihuacan may indeed be a nominee. It existed for about 1000 years, maybe more or less. Too bad there aren't any written accounts from Teotihuacan.

 

A lot of people describe Teothuacan as a state more than an Empire. Olmec times the population being to sparse for an empire to form.

The Zapotecs may be a good candidate, they dominated Oaxaca for an awful long time and had subjegated cities of other tribes within their domain.

The English Empire 1066 when we aquired a lot of turf in France and still going strong today. Wales, Scotland, Burmuda, falklands and so on.... Infact we just aquired some new land in europe, 19 countries to be precise (just they don't realise it yet!)



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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Sep-2004 at 15:22
How many empires did live more than 500 years?

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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Sep-2004 at 15:28
Roman, Egyptian, Kush*te (if one calls it an empire), Im sure there are others.
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  Quote Evildoer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Sep-2004 at 16:16

Holy Roman Empire: 800-1806

Started with Charlemagne and ended with Francis II.

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  Quote Imperator Invictus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Sep-2004 at 16:23
It would depend on the definition, including how you treat dynasty changes with large periods of civil war in between.

The Roman empire didn't last 500 years.


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  Quote Evildoer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Sep-2004 at 16:43
"Neither Holy, Neither Roman, Neither Empire" - Lord Acton.
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  Quote TJK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Sep-2004 at 16:47
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Sep-2004 at 16:57
If you count the different Chinese dynasties together, the Chinese Empire lasted 2000 years. The same goes for counting Romans and Byzantines together.
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  Quote Abyssmal Fiend Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Sep-2004 at 18:52

... You think? If you counted all the forms of the Holy Roman Empire, you'd link back 1700+ years.

And the Roman Empire would count the Etruscans. >2000 years, buddy.


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  Quote demon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Sep-2004 at 19:29
Arrrr, all Korean dynasties except kaya (If I'm correct, I'll check)
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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Sep-2004 at 19:53

HRE does not count as an empire, for most of its existence it had no power, no effect, and pretty much nothing but name.

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  Quote Roughneck Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Sep-2004 at 23:35
Rome if you take any of the Republican period into account.  Rome if you count the Byzantine Empire as continuous, and even if you don't, then the Byzantines, whether you count it ending in 1204 or 1453.
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  The Olmecs, Mayans and the Teotihuacans.

 

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The Mayans didn't have an empire. They lived in city states (much like Ancient Greece). However, the Mayans  may be one of the longest-lasting cultures.

The Olmecs probably was en empire, but it existed only 400 years (about 1200-800 BC).

Teotihuacan may indeed be a nominee. It existed for about 1000 years, maybe more or less. Too bad there aren't any written accounts from Teotihuacan.
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  Quote demon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Sep-2004 at 09:18

Korean Kingdoms:

Old Choson: 2300BC~ lasted like 2000 years when Han conquered it(not sure the exact date)

Shilla: 57BC~935AD, or 992 years in total

Pekjae: 18BC~660AD or 678 years in total

Koguryo: 37BC~668AD or 705 years in total

Koryo: 918~1392AD or 474 years in total(close... but considering the fact that the starters rebelled in year 901, in other words considering +17 years would make it a total of 491 years)

Choson: 1392~1910 or 518 years in total

 

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  Quote faram Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Sep-2004 at 12:23
Although it wasn't a empire, the republic of Venice lasted more than 1000 years
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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Sep-2004 at 14:05
it was too an empire...part of the time
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  Quote Styrbiorn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Sep-2004 at 16:15
Originally posted by Imperator Invictus

It would depend on the definition, including how you treat dynasty changes with large periods of civil war in between.

The Roman empire didn't last 500 years.




Well, since people here are throwing around the term empire* with as much care as a normal rhinoceros has for codfish I don't think you have to be too scientific about how to use the word.
I'll just assume the term in this case means 'realm', and the existence counts from when started, to the date when it ended/was conquered.



*as we all know, there has only been one real Empire, even though the word often is used as "large realm".



Anyway, there has been a Sweden around since the 6th century (first king being the mythical Odin, according to Snorri & Thor Heyerdahl a Turkic dude who fooled the stupid Swedes he was a god), even if many scholars have a fetish to only count 'Sweden' since after Gtaland was united with the Swedish kingdom sometime in the latter half of the 10th century.

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