is this Attila�s capital?

http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=45.934438,21.234426&spn=0 .032324,0.060257&t=k&hl=en

well this city is 3.5milesx2.5miles which is really big

http://bible-history.com/ancient_rome/map_rome_plan.gif

http://www.throneworld.com/oathofempire/geographica/constant inople.jpg

some background reading=============================

http://www.ccel.org/g/gibbon/decline/volume1/chap34.htm

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/jod/texts/priscus.html

http://www.mek.iif.hu/porta/szint/human/szepirod/magyar/aran y/epics/html/epics1.htm

http://sophistikatedkids.com/turkic/10%20History/Djagfar%20T arihi/Volume3/DjagfarTarihiV3P5En.htm

some pics/maps===============================

http://www.dvhh.org/mercydorf/info/images/Ueberland_Mercydor f_Zsadany.jpg [note that this land was off limits to settlement]
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/200e/39-46.jpg [note: Atle {Attila} near Zsadany]

some reference where you would think you'd see it===========

http://archweb.cimec.ro/e_arheologie.htm

http://www.archweb.cimec.ro/e_default.htm

http://mars.elte.hu/varak/terkep+lista2.php

watchout there are 2 cornestis just as there are 2 zsadanys http://www.zsadany.hu [attila claimant] in bekes county near bekesvar and this zsadany [aka cornesti, jadani, mezozsadany] in Temes county near temesvar ie. timisoara 

does any of this seem fishy to you all . this is a city bigger than rome or constaninople that noone knows nor talks about it?

see if you can find another city exactly the same [bilsaga and madaja]  in that same hi-res area [hint - northeast]

state some sources. you just can't say it isn't because i or they say so. you can't point to one shred of evidence in any language that puts it anyware but where the sources i've provided say it is whereever that is. my only quest in this posting is sources actually. real sources to my contrary are most valued of all right now.

its called an "expansive city" in all accounts stretching for miles http://www.mek.iif.hu/porta/szint/human/szepirod/magyar/aran y/epics/html/epics1.htm. attila had between 300,000 and 700,000 riders at his camp and by that time, the huns weren't nomadic in the classic sense, hense their thirst for gold to support their cash economy.

when riders left buda's camp [before moving to obuda], they traveled for approx 3 days east after crossing the tisza http://www.mek.iif.hu/porta/szint/human/szepirod/magyar/aran y/epics/html/epics1.htm

if there were 2 cities they are both there - same in size and shape http://sophistikatedkids.com/turkic/10%20History/Djagfar%20T arihi/Volume3/DjagfarTarihiV3P5En.htm

a large wooden pallisade needs to be securely set deep in the ground or in a large earth berm. attila's was described as huge in all accounts. the fact that they remain could testify to that. all one need do really would be to find the bath to merit further investigation?

i understand from previous conversations with hungarians that this would be devistating  and i understand from my conversations with romanians that it will be devastating to them having it so i guess to be fair, the site should be investigated by a canadian?

of course i think i know by now where the tomb is and the fact that everyone looks in the tisza makes me glad for Attila as he was one smart cookie all the way around, smarter than any today i think.

romanians entire national identity is in their daciation ancestory, its their claim to territory and pride and rightly so since it is said that the conquest of the daciatians saved the roman empire. Attila's presence and hense his blood lines there is disagreeable. you'd think that the business aspects would prevail as they are romanian after all. i'd guess you could draw parallels in canada.

hungarian national identity is based on magyar and hunner [?] his brother. magyar/hun heritage is a great source of pride and strength. not possessing attila's capital which could be said would have been the true capital would be a great loss and again rightly so.

are you an escu or oso, romanians in the west were heavily hungarian [osos] and weren't fond of being thought of as dacian.

when i was in timisoara in 1990 my business partner was an oso who had been a fairly big schween before he ran across the border in the dead of night. his brother was captured and sent home after some reeducation. they were not dacians let me tell you but it was/had been the line of the communist party that romania was dacian and hense the lands to the west were theirs. i know that alot of high level desks are occupied by the exact same people today as they were before 89 as they are still publishing.

it wasn't outside daco-roman-romania at all. maybe outside of the heartland but http://www.eliznik.org.uk/RomaniaHistory/balkans-map/1-ad.ht m et al.

i think trajans column pretty well covers the conquest included the sacking of the dacian capital and the suicide of the last king of dacia proper. dacia was declared a roman province in 106ad. the empire was nearly broke but due to the vast treasure that was recovered and the mines exploited, the empire was hugely enabled for new conquests and a vast infrastructure expansion & renewal program was undertaken. the first night i arrived in timisoara there were 2 tv programs on, blue hawaii with elvis and a herioc historical epic about the conquest with lots of operatic sequences, it was on every week apparently. lites went off at 11pm and i got loaded on plum schnapse siting around a kerosene lamp at his aged moms house.

its true about the language which is a big area of contention there even today when romanians call themselves dacian. the language is mostly balkan with a smattering of other terms but no or very very little dacian. the sheparding terms [which are supposedly the oldest terms in any language and hense its root] are albanian.

when i first saw the hills in 1990 it was completely cleared but pretty close to the east were the foothills and forest... remember that he supposedly had the cities built by conquered tribes so hauling the logs 10 miles probably wasn't an issue

you have to get yourself a copy of google earth, its free. in it you can measure the 4 circuits of walls [can you see all 4]. there is a really cool button that lets you tilt the map so you can even seen some topography.

i know i should be quoting sources but i don't have time but i can if you want. you can google it all.

ultimately can you find a city mentioned anywhere in any era that was there? i've searched and searched... even at a fine university library.

I'm neither an escu nor an oso. I have a more obscure last name, but no Hungarian ancestry that I'm aware of.

Anyway, the way Romanian historians view that period, the daco-romans retreated from the plains and occupied mostly the hilly and mountaineous regions of Transylvania and the Carpathians. They only repopulated the Banat and other areas such as Moldavia and Muntenia after the end of the barbarian invasions in the 12th and early 13th century. You should learn more about the local history. While Dacia was very large in the times of Burebista, and even Decebal, the Roman province of Dacia only occupied Transylvania and Oltenia. The Banat was a borderland, with some Roman towns. In any case, after the retreat of Aurelian in 273, the area that the Daco-Roman occupied was reduced further.

By the way, the sheperd words are not considered to be Albanian. Dacian was a language which was related to Illyrian, and so some words are similar to Albanian, which is at least in part if not mostly derived from Illyrian.

I have Google Earth. I'll take a look at it sometime. I only saw 3 walls. Do you think that there's a possibility this is a natural formation?

oh i see, i said daco-roman romania... i meant dacia pre roman

in regard to natural formation... if it is i'll get a vasectomy the hard way. check it out in google earth

Well, that region of the Middle Danub and the Balcans was rich in culture in the Early Chalcolithic period. Could it be a city from that time?

Untill we dig it, we won't know. Bodrogkereszt�r culture is my guess.

Are the Universities of the area informed of that finding of you or are you keeping it to you by the moment, Prisco?

there ia a mention of a bronze age find at the town of cornesti/jadani/zsadany  but it doesn't seem the site was part of this structure as only the outermost wall touches the town and has largely been destroyed plus the site excavated was a singular domestic unit of common construction.

there is a mention but no available information about a 1924 excavation following a find by a farmer at jadani. the material was migration period and decorative wood but i only know the reference #2167 and can't find the listing again at cimec. i might mention that all of the cornesti pics i was able to find on google are gone now - specifically a group of bikers who paused in the field on a mound.

Anyhow, I've been comparing the scale with my hometown and it seems quite big. It may be just 2 km x 800 m but that's about 4 times the Medieval distric of my city. And Bilbao was an important comercial harbour and didn't need to be bigger until the late 19th century.

So my new guess is that it is too big for Chalcolithic unless it's truly a great discovery, like the Pyramids of Bosnia (that are older, btw) or some major capital of a badly known late prehistorical state. It could be the city of Attila too: it is in a strategical place near the Danub at the Iron Gates.

I've been thinking in other Chalcolithic cultures that have urbanism and cover the region of historical Hungary, like Vucedol.

If they find something the least they can do is to send you a ticket to visit the ruins.